CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

The guy was an alcoholic. Not sure why it isn't out there more but reporters had to go to the bar he frequented to do interviews with him. Maybe connecting the two is wrong but a buddy of mine knows Karl and knew him back then. He had very serious issues that he overcame.

still would like to know what his personal demons have to do with having it in for carmelo anthony. what is the connection between the two?

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

The guy was an alcoholic. Not sure why it isn't out there more but reporters had to go to the bar he frequented to do interviews with him. Maybe connecting the two is wrong but a buddy of mine knows Karl and knew him back then. He had very serious issues that he overcame.

Even as a bigtime Melo fan can you honestly say Karl was wrong in his assessment? I mean i defend Melo a lot BUT i think karl was right on teh money

I didn't say he was wrong. I said he doesn't care for Melo and brings up his faults every chance he gets. He made some good points but he seems to be prolifically making comments to different media outlets at time when Melo's team is struggling mightily.

you're funny. why is melo's team struggling? why do melo's teams struggle in general, ie in the playoffs? could it be because of what karl was quoted as saying in the article? no it must be everyone else BUT melo.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

The guy was an alcoholic. Not sure why it isn't out there more but reporters had to go to the bar he frequented to do interviews with him. Maybe connecting the two is wrong but a buddy of mine knows Karl and knew him back then. He had very serious issues that he overcame.

Even as a bigtime Melo fan can you honestly say Karl was wrong in his assessment? I mean i defend Melo a lot BUT i think karl was right on teh money

I didn't say he was wrong. I said he doesn't care for Melo and brings up his faults every chance he gets. He made some good points but he seems to be prolifically making comments to different media outlets at time when Melo's team is struggling mightily.

you're funny. why is melo's team struggling? why do melo's teams struggle in general, ie in the playoffs? could it be because of what karl was quoted as saying in the article? no it must be everyone else BUT melo.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

The guy was an alcoholic. Not sure why it isn't out there more but reporters had to go to the bar he frequented to do interviews with him. Maybe connecting the two is wrong but a buddy of mine knows Karl and knew him back then. He had very serious issues that he overcame.

Even as a bigtime Melo fan can you honestly say Karl was wrong in his assessment? I mean i defend Melo a lot BUT i think karl was right on teh money

I didn't say he was wrong. I said he doesn't care for Melo and brings up his faults every chance he gets. He made some good points but he seems to be prolifically making comments to different media outlets at time when Melo's team is struggling mightily.

you're funny. why is melo's team struggling? why do melo's teams struggle in general, ie in the playoffs? could it be because of what karl was quoted as saying in the article? no it must be everyone else BUT melo.

Why is Karl talking about him so much though?

because he is being asked about the knicks struggles and what part melo plays in those struggles. maybe it's the felton mess that has catalyzed this news cycle and the sharp light of day is pointing to the leadership vacuum i alluded to in my preseason prediction.

look i have to say i believe the league has started to realize what exactly has been wrong with melo and karl is simply articulating what that problem is. he was the guy's coach for most of his career and now that he is a talking head what is he supposed to do? for a guy who is being accused of having it in for melo i cannot fathom how his words can be interpreted that way. he praises melo for what he deems praiseworthy and points out quite insightfully where melo falls short. in a word it is leadership.

While I don't agree with your reasons for why you predicted the implosion, it was still a good call. I'm shocked at what I have been seeing this season.

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

The guy was an alcoholic. Not sure why it isn't out there more but reporters had to go to the bar he frequented to do interviews with him. Maybe connecting the two is wrong but a buddy of mine knows Karl and knew him back then. He had very serious issues that he overcame.

Even as a bigtime Melo fan can you honestly say Karl was wrong in his assessment? I mean i defend Melo a lot BUT i think karl was right on teh money

I didn't say he was wrong. I said he doesn't care for Melo and brings up his faults every chance he gets. He made some good points but he seems to be prolifically making comments to different media outlets at time when Melo's team is struggling mightily.

you're funny. why is melo's team struggling? why do melo's teams struggle in general, ie in the playoffs? could it be because of what karl was quoted as saying in the article? no it must be everyone else BUT melo.

Why is Karl talking about him so much though?

because he is being asked about the knicks struggles and what part melo plays in those struggles. maybe it's the felton mess that has catalyzed this news cycle and the sharp light of day is pointing to the leadership vacuum i alluded to in my preseason prediction.

look i have to say i believe the league has started to realize what exactly has been wrong with melo and karl is simply articulating what that problem is. he was the guy's coach for most of his career and now that he is a talking head what is he supposed to do? for a guy who is being accused of having it in for melo i cannot fathom how his words can be interpreted that way. he praises melo for what he deems praiseworthy and points out quite insightfully where melo falls short. in a word it is leadership.

I agreed with the points Karl made. They were accurate for the most part. But since Melo left - almost like literally the day after the trade - Karl continues to keep talking about him.

While I don't agree with your reasons for why you predicted the implosion, it was still a good call. I'm shocked at what I have been seeing this season.

then tell me what the reasons are for their implosion.

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:then tell me what the reasons are for their implosion.

Loss of vets, injuries, regression in key guys from the year before, poor coaching, a BAD mixture of players etc.

these are the things that the SCHOENE projection which bonn1997 cited would lead to 37 wins even without implosion. that they are in even worse shape than 37 wins i think points to one thing alone which is a leadership vacuum. they are not playing with fight, heart, or whatever.

You're right. There is no leader on this team. Never said there was. What I disagreed with was your stance that Melo announcing he wanted to test free agency lead to all of those things listed above and more. While it wasn't the smartest thing to do, they're problems independent of Melo and his intentions.

okay look when i hear a guy wants to test free agency before the season even starts i see that as creating a leadership vacuum. not smart to say the least. really harmful is the way i see it. they began the season not believing and now here we are.

but

in the end, Melo always seems to says things that are not needed

I liked the way Melo played today for the most part, he didn't grab many rebounds but he was playing the SF and was camping outside the 3pt line, while he was moving the ball
Bulls just have our number, always have, and we lack the talent/size/athleticism/speed to compete with their TOUGH DEF and TEAM PLAY

RonRon wrote:It is a distraction that wasn't needed, had they won the Atlantic Division, NO ONE WOULD BE TALKING

but

in the end, Melo always seems to says things that are not needed

I liked the way Melo played today for the most part, he didn't grab many rebounds but he was playing the SF and was camping outside the 3pt line, while he was moving the ball
Bulls just have our number, always have, and we lack the talent/size/athleticism/speed to compete with their TOUGH DEF and TEAM PLAY

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:then tell me what the reasons are for their implosion.

Loss of vets, injuries, regression in key guys from the year before, poor coaching, a BAD mixture of players etc.

these are the things that the SCHOENE projection which bonn1997 cited would lead to 37 wins even without implosion. that they are in even worse shape than 37 wins i think points to one thing alone which is a leadership vacuum. they are not playing with fight, heart, or whatever.

You're right. There is no leader on this team. Never said there was. What I disagreed with was your stance that Melo announcing he wanted to test free agency lead to all of those things listed above and more. While it wasn't the smartest thing to do, they're problems independent of Melo and his intentions.

okay look when i hear a guy wants to test free agency before the season even starts i see that as creating a leadership vacuum. not smart to say the least. really harmful is the way i see it. they began the season not believing and now here we are.

It was stupid to say I agree with that now. But there's just no way you can believe him saying that has caused everything that has happened over the course of the season.

no there are other significant things as you have delineated. injuries, chemistry, defense. but his comments were like a ****cloud hovering above the team. to my mind it is the main issue with the team-- not the only issue but the main issue.