yellowboy90 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I remember a certain poster who used to post winning percentage when Melo and Amar'e where out compared to win they were playing. I would love to see Tyson win % this year and last year too. I'm just teasing. Tyson is not a big problem although Hubbie Brown alwaus has issue with Tyson when he calls the game. Tyson is just getting older and still not healthy probably.

I think it's pretty comparable. I know we were about .400 with Bargnani starting at center.
Why not just look at the on/off +/- numbers? That's a more precise answer to of how the team does with vs. without him.

I know people are trying to figure out which players are the problem but you have to remember the coach is a huge part of the problem. Also, considering the losing mentality/culture that has set in, I am inclined to give certain players (Tyson, Shump) the benefit of the doubt that in the right situation they can turn it around.

I do think JR is a cancer and should be off the team. Barges I am not sure about but he really hasn't helped.

Yeah, Tyson always should get the benefit of the doubt he is a champion.

The Knicks’ winning percentage in games he’s played this year is .316, in games he’s missed, it’s .416. Last year it was .636 with, .750 without.

That's not really a big difference.

yellowboy90 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I remember a certain poster who used to post winning percentage when Melo and Amar'e where out compared to win they were playing. I would love to see Tyson win % this year and last year too. I'm just teasing. Tyson is not a big problem although Hubbie Brown alwaus has issue with Tyson when he calls the game. Tyson is just getting older and still not healthy probably.

I think it's pretty comparable. I know we were about .400 with Bargnani starting at center.
Why not just look at the on/off +/- numbers? That's a more precise answer to of how the team does with vs. without him.

I know people are trying to figure out which players are the problem but you have to remember the coach is a huge part of the problem. Also, considering the losing mentality/culture that has set in, I am inclined to give certain players (Tyson, Shump) the benefit of the doubt that in the right situation they can turn it around.

I do think JR is a cancer and should be off the team. Barges I am not sure about but he really hasn't helped.

Yeah, Tyson always should get the benefit of the doubt he is a champion.

The Knicks’ winning percentage in games he’s played this year is .316, in games he’s missed, it’s .416. Last year it was .636 with, .750 without.

That's not really a big difference.

Well let's look more closely. Combine these two pieces of info.:
A) Tyson has a positive on/off +/-.
B) The team has done worse in games he's played in.

Clearly they're losing those games during the minutes he's on the bench. It's probably because there are so many injuries and no one can play center. If your return to health corresponds with other key players' injuries, it will mess up the winning percentage comparisons. Those comparisons don't make sense when you look at the on/off +/- unless you explore more carefully.

If I did the calculations by hand right, his on/off differential for the last 7 games is around +10.0 per 48 min but the team is 1-6.

CrushAlot wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

OasisBU wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I remember a certain poster who used to post winning percentage when Melo and Amar'e where out compared to win they were playing. I would love to see Tyson win % this year and last year too. I'm just teasing. Tyson is not a big problem although Hubbie Brown alwaus has issue with Tyson when he calls the game. Tyson is just getting older and still not healthy probably.

I think it's pretty comparable. I know we were about .400 with Bargnani starting at center.
Why not just look at the on/off +/- numbers? That's a more precise answer to of how the team does with vs. without him.

I know people are trying to figure out which players are the problem but you have to remember the coach is a huge part of the problem. Also, considering the losing mentality/culture that has set in, I am inclined to give certain players (Tyson, Shump) the benefit of the doubt that in the right situation they can turn it around.

I do think JR is a cancer and should be off the team. Barges I am not sure about but he really hasn't helped.

Yeah, Tyson always should get the benefit of the doubt he is a champion.

The Knicks’ winning percentage in games he’s played this year is .316, in games he’s missed, it’s .416. Last year it was .636 with, .750 without.

That's not really a big difference.

I knew it was bad but that is a powerful stat. The stat matches the eye test.

Also, note that if you do the same for Melo, he doesn't come out looking good. I did the calculation a while ago. He has a larger sample of around 100 career games missed. His teams basically win in the upper .500s whether he plays or not.