StarksEwing1 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:He could have done one thing and that is come to the Knicks as a FA.

He sure as **** got what he wanted

Without being vindictive, that was my first thought as well.
You reap what you sow.

I think Melo realizes he made a mistake. If he waiting for FA the Knicks would ahve been better off. I dont care about the lockout melo still would ahve made a ton od money that he allready had

I still doubt that. This organization is poorly run. All you need to do is look at the Billups amnesty after they picked up the option. That set this team back big time. Absolutely horrendous move. They realized that wasn't a great idea and then followed that up with piles of terrible trades.

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

you are putting up those stats as if they are GREAT.. look around the league at the great players, they are shooting above or close to 50% the knicks are a million games under .500 carmelo's impact is what it is... the proof is in the record.. that is a fact!!!!!!!!!

ESPN has him ranked at 17 and they were generous...

RonRon wrote:Kobe put up the best numbers of his career in a losing season, the next season they got a lottery pick called Bynum
Traded for young Pau Gasol
In addition to the the addition of Trevor Ariza, foundation of Odom, sold role players at the time in, Fisher/Farmer, Sasha Vucevic

the above translation = STATS MEANS SHIT, it is how you get the points, and many other deciding factors of the game that STAT's do not account for

Our foundation of based on D league/VET min talent

It isn't about personal STAT's

Lebron was putting up 30,12,12 2-3 on the Cav's, you guys make it sound like Melo is even close to what Lebron was, hes not, and he gets payed more than Lebron did

Lebron
Durant
Paul George
Lamarcus Alrdidge
Cp3
Love
Westbrook
Harden

Wade
Bosh
Irving
Wall
Lilliard
Curry

Melo is actually closer to players like Monta Ellis, Josh Smith, ZBO (younger), and talented SCORER but NOT a GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER
It is just that simple, he is not a DEF STOPPER, he is NOT a LEADER, HE IS NOT a CREATOR/FACILITATOR
In the right system with the right players, he can be very dangerous, however, he isn't the #1 player you build around, unless you can have a team 12 deep with versatile, athletic, skilled, great defensive team

Melo is not a SF or PF, he is a TWEENER, he plays his best at PF but has weakness's either way

Unless he takes a pay cut for 2015 and recruits, we will never contend with him, but he can leave to any team in 2014 and have a better future if he is willing to take that paycut

NOT MOVING him along with the rest of the possible trades or make the final starphuq will cost us, we need to get faster, more athletic, and more versatilly skilled in all positions
That is why I suggested trading with Philly and OKC with a 3 team trade
NOT DOING ANYTHING will result in the same that losing core we have this season for next, we don't wonder why The Pacer's get better with the rest of the team, while we seem to take get worse every year?

IF MELO WAS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER, TELL ME WHY HE WAS UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING 1v1 in the final play?

BINGO!!! you hit the nail on the head... 3G4G a long time ago on here compared Carmelo to Monta ellis.. Carmelo is closer to the guys you mentioned than they are further apart...

IF MELO WAS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER, TELL ME WHY HE WAS UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING 1v1 in the final play?

And this is the reason why fans said we got him, yet he has failed miserably here.. I always said.. we should not get a player with the hopes of having him pull out late game heroics.. It is not a way to build a team.. I don't want to win close games.. this is why you shouldn't want to play close games.. I want to win them handily.....

the above translation = STATS MEANS SHIT, it is how you get the points, and many other deciding factors of the game that STAT's do not account for

Great point.. End thread.... LOL

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

but I will do you one better, carmelo was out and we had this instead.. and oh yea, pretty much the same core guys except fields.. we have proof, vs the Dallas mavs... take a look at the box score below..

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320219018

Nice find. That was when we had a TEAM. Chemistry is so important.
I like Melo, but we just don't have a team around him. No chemistry, a bunch of looky lous.
Again, you reap what you sow.

And we don't really care any more. The ship is sinking and there are not enough life rafts.

that team had lin, amare, chandler, guys like jeffries.. they rallied around lin.. they played for each other... everyone was getting involved, even Bill walker... this wasn't Lin or amare going. I am going to get mine early, while everyone stands and watch and gets cold.. no everyone was engaged and early..

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

that is actually a valid comparison at this point.

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.

objective.. I am very objective.. I look at our record and that speaks volumes.. I don't search for meaningless stats to try to give someone credit, where it isn't due... that may be your thing.. But not mine..

regarding Melo you are everything BUT objective ... stop trying to pretend that you are objective this is a blatant lie (one example is that you use derogatory nicknames for him, this is not what we can call being neutral about someone)

this is obvious to anyone, except you maybe

StarksEwing1 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:He could have done one thing and that is come to the Knicks as a FA.

He sure as **** got what he wanted

Without being vindictive, that was my first thought as well.
You reap what you sow.

I think Melo realizes he made a mistake. If he waiting for FA the Knicks would ahve been better off. I dont care about the lockout melo still would ahve made a ton od money that he allready had

I think he realized that coming to the Knicks was a mistake. He was better off going to Brooklyn where they have an owner willing to break the bank and a GM running the franchise. Not these yes men that Dollan hires.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

that is actually a valid comparison at this point.

How would you know? Knicks aren't worth your time right. You don't watch games.

you sound bitter. if i thought of melo as highly as you do i guess i would be bitter too-- unless i had the stones to admit i overestimated his value. ready to do that now?

didn't think so.

when marbury left teams they immediately improved. if i recall this is what happened with the suns and the nets. denver improved the minute melo was traded.

and the knicks will improve once he leaves new york.

Red1976 wrote:

tkf wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.

objective.. I am very objective.. I look at our record and that speaks volumes.. I don't search for meaningless stats to try to give someone credit, where it isn't due... that may be your thing.. But not mine..

regarding Melo you are everything BUT objective ... stop trying to pretend that you are objective this is a blatant lie (one example is that you use derogatory nicknames for him, this is not what we can call being neutral about someone)

this is obvious to anyone, except you maybe

I am objective..I stick to the facts.. the fact is, he hasn't won, the knicks suck.. what I don't do, is drum up his numbers to try to make him look good in a horrible situation that he created..
what about what I just said is not correct?

blkexec wrote:

tkf wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

but I will do you one better, carmelo was out and we had this instead.. and oh yea, pretty much the same core guys except fields.. we have proof, vs the Dallas mavs... take a look at the box score below..

http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320219018

Nice find. That was when we had a TEAM. Chemistry is so important.
I like Melo, but we just don't have a team around him. No chemistry, a bunch of looky lous.
Again, you reap what you sow.

And we don't really care any more. The ship is sinking and there are not enough life rafts.

that team had lin, amare, chandler, guys like jeffries.. they rallied around lin.. they played for each other... everyone was getting involved, even Bill walker... this wasn't Lin or amare going. I am going to get mine early, while everyone stands and watch and gets cold.. no everyone was engaged and early..

But with lin on the team, Melo's max contract is not needed. And I'm sure Melo's agent / advisers saw this too. This is why the NBA is losing fans to the NCAA. Whenever there's a lot of money involved in anything, everything goes down hill. Melo (like every other NBA player) are trying to hold onto, or increase their net worth. Lin actually decreased Melo's worth during the entire LINSANITY thing. Melo's biggest asset is his scoring. With Lin at the Point, in MDA's system, there isn't any 1 player that will dominate the stat sheet. Which is how basketball should be played. But thats not the case in todays basetball, in the center of the media capital of NYC. Stars run the show at the Garden. It was either Lins team or Melo's team.....They could not successfully share the same stage. Lin was a scoring combo guard. Vs Chris Paul is a top PG that can score. Theres a difference when pairing a real PG with Melo.....vs pairing a combo guard in Lin with Melo. This is why Lin and Harden can't play well together. Both dominate the ball, looking to score first and past second.

Great post. I'm ready to give up on the NBA all together. What a ****ing joke. To think we missed half a season over a lockout for the NBA to return in worst shape

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Marcala12 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.

I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

that is actually a valid comparison at this point.

How would you know? Knicks aren't worth your time right. You don't watch games.

you sound bitter. if i thought of melo as highly as you do i guess i would be bitter too-- unless i had the stones to admit i overestimated his value. ready to do that now?

didn't think so.

when marbury left teams they immediately improved. if i recall this is what happened with the suns and the nets. denver improved the minute melo was traded.

and the knicks will improve once he leaves new york.