holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Is to put together a note co signed by hundred of thousands of knick fans in a petition letter to both David stern and Adam silver about the removal of James Dolan from the basketball operations of the team. As in he will have no say. The team and its fans have realized material loss of capital and emotional resource over a 15 year period and the only uptick was brought on by the leagues actions to hire D Walsh. Since that time Dolan has started up again. Firing gm glen Grunwald and not making moves directed by top level management. Also there seems to be a conflict of interest between MSG and caa which is not in the fans best interests. The nba game is supposed to be about fans watching good quality basketball and for 15 years while knick fans have paid the highest prices in terms of tix and cable tv. MSG. We have not received fair value back from our collective material investment that has made billions for James Dolan and only MSG shareholders. My name is Eric naarden and I'm willing to put up 5k of my own$ to start a fair and reasonable campaign to remove this man from taking part of 1further basketball decisions. While fans were paying money to watch the knicks lose this man was on tour with his band. Does this sound like a person who should have any say15 years says no. You guys help put this together. Well put some money together and we will and can get this man who has proven that he has zero basketball operational acumen over a 15 year period moved out of any role for the basketball side of business

The guy the NBA supposedly hired to right the franchise brought in the wrong coach then gave Amare 100 mil...It's the primary reason we suck right now...Now we look forward to 2015 when his deal rolls off...

then you should have been the person to tell melo to go to another team

djsunyc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Is to put together a note co signed by hundred of thousands of knick fans in a petition letter to both David stern and Adam silver about the removal of James Dolan from the basketball operations of the team. As in he will have no say. The team and its fans have realized material loss of capital and emotional resource over a 15 year period and the only uptick was brought on by the leagues actions to hire D Walsh. Since that time Dolan has started up again. Firing gm glen Grunwald and not making moves directed by top level management. Also there seems to be a conflict of interest between MSG and caa which is not in the fans best interests. The nba game is supposed to be about fans watching good quality basketball and for 15 years while knick fans have paid the highest prices in terms of tix and cable tv. MSG. We have not received fair value back from our collective material investment that has made billions for James Dolan and only MSG shareholders. My name is Eric naarden and I'm willing to put up 5k of my own$ to start a fair and reasonable campaign to remove this man from taking part of 1further basketball decisions. While fans were paying money to watch the knicks lose this man was on tour with his band. Does this sound like a person who should have any say15 years says no. You guys help put this together. Well put some money together and we will and can get this man who has proven that he has zero basketball operational acumen over a 15 year period moved out of any role for the basketball side of business

The guy the NBA supposedly hired to right the franchise brought in the wrong coach then gave Amare 100 mil...It's the primary reason we suck right now...Now we look forward to 2015 when his deal rolls off...

knicks had an out but they went after chandler instead. that's the primary reason as amare's contract could've been erased.

this is a team that had the allan houston rule and used it on someone else. and also got the lin ruling so they can keep him...only to not sign the contract.

Didn't we first pick up the option on Billups then use the amnesty on him...Comedy...We signed and traded DLee instead of letting him walk, got back contracts we didn't need and later had to include picks in trades to get under the cap..

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Is to put together a note co signed by hundred of thousands of knick fans in a petition letter to both David stern and Adam silver about the removal of James Dolan from the basketball operations of the team. As in he will have no say. The team and its fans have realized material loss of capital and emotional resource over a 15 year period and the only uptick was brought on by the leagues actions to hire D Walsh. Since that time Dolan has started up again. Firing gm glen Grunwald and not making moves directed by top level management. Also there seems to be a conflict of interest between MSG and caa which is not in the fans best interests. The nba game is supposed to be about fans watching good quality basketball and for 15 years while knick fans have paid the highest prices in terms of tix and cable tv. MSG. We have not received fair value back from our collective material investment that has made billions for James Dolan and only MSG shareholders. My name is Eric naarden and I'm willing to put up 5k of my own$ to start a fair and reasonable campaign to remove this man from taking part of 1further basketball decisions. While fans were paying money to watch the knicks lose this man was on tour with his band. Does this sound like a person who should have any say15 years says no. You guys help put this together. Well put some money together and we will and can get this man who has proven that he has zero basketball operational acumen over a 15 year period moved out of any role for the basketball side of business

The guy the NBA supposedly hired to right the franchise brought in the wrong coach then gave Amare 100 mil...It's the primary reason we suck right now...Now we look forward to 2015 when his deal rolls off...

No, Melo and Amare would never work together, they are both flawed players, while we traded half a team + 3 picks and a swap, on top of selling low for our players and buying high for one player

Amare was signed before Lebron announced he was joining the Heat
By signing Amare, Walsh hoped to sign another ALL STAR or trade for one *at the right price*
He wanted to fill the seats like Dolan wanted but still try to build a contender, on top of giving Dantoni players to use for his system

He is part of the problem but NOT bigger than the trade for Melo and all the moves we were forced to make with no leverage after it

Continue to deflect what Melo isn't, a SUPERSTAR to build around......

Two major issues have us here now and u don't have to agree..We hired MDA who needed a pick and roll PF for his highly specialized style of play...In comes Amare...MDA's defensive system sucked so bad that we needed to go out and get Chandler to sure up the defense instead of a legit PG...MDA had 4 HOF players last year and couldn't make heads or tails of them because he couldn't run a pick and roll offense...He was blaming DHow and Gasol for the Lakers problems...

Now please explain to me how trading for Melo hurt this team when Wilson Chandler is playing his first full season since the trade 3 years ago, Gallo is and will be out of action a year and half...And please explain how flawed Melo is giving you 28 points 9 rebounds per game, never been done since Shaq...If you are not KD or LBJ then you are flawed..

Do you really want to talk about selling low and buying high??...Care to examine Walsh's deals while he had total control???..We managed to trade ZBo, DLee and Craw and didn't get 1 pick from those players, not one pick???

it doesn't matter what I say, You will continue your BS nomatter what I say

I roll is facts not hypothesis...

I have explained it countless times, you continue to post the same garbage

Despite our record, our lack of assets, all the moves we have made from the trade for Melo to now you give 0% of how he could have been prevented it
ALL FOR 1 year of GUARANTEED MONEY SO HE CAN OPT OUT OF THAT GUARANTEED YEAR

Explain that, facts

Lack of assets????...Melo is an asset, Chandler is an asset, Shump is an asset, Tim Jr is an asset...

One question for you since you think Denver have our assets and we have none, who had a better last year JR Smith or Gallo??..Look up the numbers JR Smith and Gallo are identical in production...But we regard one as an asset and will pay him a lot more money than the other...I'll take the cheaper guy for the same production..In other words, Gallo's production was easily replaced, but people here regard his departure as a major loss without examining the facts...

Put it simply.....Melo and JR Smith >>>>>>>> Gallo, Wison Chandler, and Mozgov....Facts, not using the great monicker of "assets" to describe the great unknown players we lost...Their salaries might even match off too...

what statistics are you looking at to make your assessment between smith and gallo?

the ones i use are facts too:

gallinari 6'10"
smith 6'5"
gallinari as a knick shot 59TS% (and i am not including his 1st season where he only played 25 games and had a 62TS%)
smith as a knick: 51.1TS%

smith's usage is at 24% with 2.5 assists when the ball is on his hands one fourth of the time which is more than his fair share.
while gallinari's usage was only 18.7% or less than a fifth of the time, ie less than his share of the ball which ideally would be a fifth of the time.

who is the more effective and willing defender? gallo is.

gallinari is the better player and it isn't really that close.

he's also a better teammate than smith is, which isn't really saying much but still....

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Is to put together a note co signed by hundred of thousands of knick fans in a petition letter to both David stern and Adam silver about the removal of James Dolan from the basketball operations of the team. As in he will have no say. The team and its fans have realized material loss of capital and emotional resource over a 15 year period and the only uptick was brought on by the leagues actions to hire D Walsh. Since that time Dolan has started up again. Firing gm glen Grunwald and not making moves directed by top level management. Also there seems to be a conflict of interest between MSG and caa which is not in the fans best interests. The nba game is supposed to be about fans watching good quality basketball and for 15 years while knick fans have paid the highest prices in terms of tix and cable tv. MSG. We have not received fair value back from our collective material investment that has made billions for James Dolan and only MSG shareholders. My name is Eric naarden and I'm willing to put up 5k of my own$ to start a fair and reasonable campaign to remove this man from taking part of 1further basketball decisions. While fans were paying money to watch the knicks lose this man was on tour with his band. Does this sound like a person who should have any say15 years says no. You guys help put this together. Well put some money together and we will and can get this man who has proven that he has zero basketball operational acumen over a 15 year period moved out of any role for the basketball side of business

The guy the NBA supposedly hired to right the franchise brought in the wrong coach then gave Amare 100 mil...It's the primary reason we suck right now...Now we look forward to 2015 when his deal rolls off...

No, Melo and Amare would never work together, they are both flawed players, while we traded half a team + 3 picks and a swap, on top of selling low for our players and buying high for one player

Amare was signed before Lebron announced he was joining the Heat
By signing Amare, Walsh hoped to sign another ALL STAR or trade for one *at the right price*
He wanted to fill the seats like Dolan wanted but still try to build a contender, on top of giving Dantoni players to use for his system

He is part of the problem but NOT bigger than the trade for Melo and all the moves we were forced to make with no leverage after it

Continue to deflect what Melo isn't, a SUPERSTAR to build around......

Two major issues have us here now and u don't have to agree..We hired MDA who needed a pick and roll PF for his highly specialized style of play...In comes Amare...MDA's defensive system sucked so bad that we needed to go out and get Chandler to sure up the defense instead of a legit PG...MDA had 4 HOF players last year and couldn't make heads or tails of them because he couldn't run a pick and roll offense...He was blaming DHow and Gasol for the Lakers problems...

Now please explain to me how trading for Melo hurt this team when Wilson Chandler is playing his first full season since the trade 3 years ago, Gallo is and will be out of action a year and half...And please explain how flawed Melo is giving you 28 points 9 rebounds per game, never been done since Shaq...If you are not KD or LBJ then you are flawed..

Do you really want to talk about selling low and buying high??...Care to examine Walsh's deals while he had total control???..We managed to trade ZBo, DLee and Craw and didn't get 1 pick from those players, not one pick???

it doesn't matter what I say, You will continue your BS nomatter what I say

I roll is facts not hypothesis...

I have explained it countless times, you continue to post the same garbage

Despite our record, our lack of assets, all the moves we have made from the trade for Melo to now you give 0% of how he could have been prevented it
ALL FOR 1 year of GUARANTEED MONEY SO HE CAN OPT OUT OF THAT GUARANTEED YEAR

Explain that, facts

Lack of assets????...Melo is an asset, Chandler is an asset, Shump is an asset, Tim Jr is an asset...

One question for you since you think Denver have our assets and we have none, who had a better last year JR Smith or Gallo??..Look up the numbers JR Smith and Gallo are identical in production...But we regard one as an asset and will pay him a lot more money than the other...I'll take the cheaper guy for the same production..In other words, Gallo's production was easily replaced, but people here regard his departure as a major loss without examining the facts...

Put it simply.....Melo and JR Smith >>>>>>>> Gallo, Wison Chandler, and Mozgov....Facts, not using the great monicker of "assets" to describe the great unknown players we lost...Their salaries might even match off too...

what statistics are you looking at to make your assessment between smith and gallo?

the ones i use are facts too:

gallinari 6'10"
smith 6'5"
gallinari as a knick shot 59TS% (and i am not including his 1st season where he only played 25 games and had a 62TS%)
smith as a knick: 51.1TS%

smith's usage is at 24% with 2.5 assists when the ball is on his hands one fourth of the time which is more than his fair share.
while gallinari's usage was only 18.7% or less than a fifth of the time, ie less than his share of the ball which ideally would be a fifth of the time.

who is the more effective and willing defender? gallo is.

gallinari is the better player and it isn't really that close.

he's also a better teammate than smith is, which isn't really saying much but still....

That's the long way of saying his ft% is higher as a Knick??..Their FG% is identical over their careers, JR played better defense last year...Gallo's production was easily replaced by JR, am I wrong?? and show me how...outside of ft% and Gallo is much more likable true, less tats...But I'm not having these guys over to date my daughter...

Also, JR is a six man..His role is very different than Gallo's role at half the salary..

So pay a guy an extra 5/6 mil a year because he is a nice guy..ok

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Is to put together a note co signed by hundred of thousands of knick fans in a petition letter to both David stern and Adam silver about the removal of James Dolan from the basketball operations of the team. As in he will have no say. The team and its fans have realized material loss of capital and emotional resource over a 15 year period and the only uptick was brought on by the leagues actions to hire D Walsh. Since that time Dolan has started up again. Firing gm glen Grunwald and not making moves directed by top level management. Also there seems to be a conflict of interest between MSG and caa which is not in the fans best interests. The nba game is supposed to be about fans watching good quality basketball and for 15 years while knick fans have paid the highest prices in terms of tix and cable tv. MSG. We have not received fair value back from our collective material investment that has made billions for James Dolan and only MSG shareholders. My name is Eric naarden and I'm willing to put up 5k of my own$ to start a fair and reasonable campaign to remove this man from taking part of 1further basketball decisions. While fans were paying money to watch the knicks lose this man was on tour with his band. Does this sound like a person who should have any say15 years says no. You guys help put this together. Well put some money together and we will and can get this man who has proven that he has zero basketball operational acumen over a 15 year period moved out of any role for the basketball side of business

The guy the NBA supposedly hired to right the franchise brought in the wrong coach then gave Amare 100 mil...It's the primary reason we suck right now...Now we look forward to 2015 when his deal rolls off...

No, Melo and Amare would never work together, they are both flawed players, while we traded half a team + 3 picks and a swap, on top of selling low for our players and buying high for one player

Amare was signed before Lebron announced he was joining the Heat
By signing Amare, Walsh hoped to sign another ALL STAR or trade for one *at the right price*
He wanted to fill the seats like Dolan wanted but still try to build a contender, on top of giving Dantoni players to use for his system

He is part of the problem but NOT bigger than the trade for Melo and all the moves we were forced to make with no leverage after it

Continue to deflect what Melo isn't, a SUPERSTAR to build around......

Two major issues have us here now and u don't have to agree..We hired MDA who needed a pick and roll PF for his highly specialized style of play...In comes Amare...MDA's defensive system sucked so bad that we needed to go out and get Chandler to sure up the defense instead of a legit PG...MDA had 4 HOF players last year and couldn't make heads or tails of them because he couldn't run a pick and roll offense...He was blaming DHow and Gasol for the Lakers problems...

Now please explain to me how trading for Melo hurt this team when Wilson Chandler is playing his first full season since the trade 3 years ago, Gallo is and will be out of action a year and half...And please explain how flawed Melo is giving you 28 points 9 rebounds per game, never been done since Shaq...If you are not KD or LBJ then you are flawed..

Do you really want to talk about selling low and buying high??...Care to examine Walsh's deals while he had total control???..We managed to trade ZBo, DLee and Craw and didn't get 1 pick from those players, not one pick???

it doesn't matter what I say, You will continue your BS nomatter what I say

I roll is facts not hypothesis...

I have explained it countless times, you continue to post the same garbage

Despite our record, our lack of assets, all the moves we have made from the trade for Melo to now you give 0% of how he could have been prevented it
ALL FOR 1 year of GUARANTEED MONEY SO HE CAN OPT OUT OF THAT GUARANTEED YEAR

Explain that, facts

Lack of assets????...Melo is an asset, Chandler is an asset, Shump is an asset, Tim Jr is an asset...

One question for you since you think Denver have our assets and we have none, who had a better last year JR Smith or Gallo??..Look up the numbers JR Smith and Gallo are identical in production...But we regard one as an asset and will pay him a lot more money than the other...I'll take the cheaper guy for the same production..In other words, Gallo's production was easily replaced, but people here regard his departure as a major loss without examining the facts...

Put it simply.....Melo and JR Smith >>>>>>>> Gallo, Wison Chandler, and Mozgov....Facts, not using the great monicker of "assets" to describe the great unknown players we lost...Their salaries might even match off too...

what statistics are you looking at to make your assessment between smith and gallo?

the ones i use are facts too:

gallinari 6'10"
smith 6'5"
gallinari as a knick shot 59TS% (and i am not including his 1st season where he only played 25 games and had a 62TS%)
smith as a knick: 51.1TS%

smith's usage is at 24% with 2.5 assists when the ball is on his hands one fourth of the time which is more than his fair share.
while gallinari's usage was only 18.7% or less than a fifth of the time, ie less than his share of the ball which ideally would be a fifth of the time.

who is the more effective and willing defender? gallo is.

gallinari is the better player and it isn't really that close.

he's also a better teammate than smith is, which isn't really saying much but still....

That's the long way of saying his ft% is higher as a Knick??..Their FG% is identical over their careers, JR played better defense last year...Gallo's production was easily replaced by JR, am I wrong?? and show me how...outside of ft% and Gallo is much more likable true, less tats...But I'm not having these guys over to date my daughter...

Also, JR is a six man..His role is very different than Gallo's role at half the salary..

apples to apples please. if gallinari is in new york with this team instead of smith then gallinari is coming off the bench as well, raising his usage and playing against inferior players. he also gets to the line a ton more than smith which is a very important aspect of the pro game especially come playoff time.

gallinari is the better player and better teammate holfresh and it isn't even close. what do tats have to do with this discussion or are you going to a place that maybe you shouldn't?

"jr played better defense last year." compared to whom? surely not gallinari but jr himself.

Compared to Gallo...My point tho is that what you guys consider "assets" are easily replaceable...

PresIke wrote:

Vmart wrote:Just start canceling MSG. Stop going to games, stop buying Jerseys and other items. You don't need a petition to do that.

unfortunately, i don't think that's going to be good enough.

the most likely way may be to abandon the team entirely.

meaning stop following the team and talking about it. if enough fans did this then we could perhaps see some change. but, of course, that would mean you are no longer be someone that watches the games or consumes the product, because by even by discussing it in conversation you are advertising the product...the knicks.

I see your point but the major money is made by TV advertising. People going to the stadium and spending money and Jersey and apparel sales talking about the Knicks is free. Only one making out in that is Martin and Andrew unless they pay the Knicks royalty.

I'll sign it! YOu don't even have to leave the computer!

Cyber activist!!!

Papabear wrote:

Vmart wrote:No point in following this team. Our best bet is if Melo walks. If he stays there will be more crap coming no home grown talent just a bunch of average to below average players. Next year has to be a major tank job. I'm hoping Knicks can swing a deal with the Lakers for a maxed out Melo for their draft pick. Something has got to give my hope is Kobe asks Lakers management for Melo and Melo wants that extra year in salary being under the cap they may consider it and the Knicks in turn get a couple of picks out of the deal.

Papabear Says

Even if Melo walks there still really won't be any cap space so whats your point. It's not Melo. Get that through your head.

Papabear, the point is if Melo walks the Knicks get free of his contract. and the Knicks must lose next year in order for them to get a top tier talent in the draft. A full on tank job. That is how you get healthy in the NBA. Once that is done the Knicks can add two FA or more depending on the level of the FA to go with the home grown draft pick. I know it's very difficult for you guys to accept a tank job but imagine had the Knicks done this earlier the Knicks could be in a much better place. What good did those 28-32 win season do for the Knicks imagine if those were 15-20 win seasons we would be running with Stephen Curry right now and Harden in the back court. Instead of what we got. We could have gotten LeBron or Melo right through the draft. They got to stop F'ing around with playoffs they are the most useless thing going if the talent level says you can't win it all.
My overall point is Melo made this bed. Giving him another contract will only exacerbate the situation. If Melo comes back to the Knicks the Knicks will once again be bad enough to miss the playoffs or good enough to make it and miss out on a top tier draft pick. Which has basically been the story of the Knucks.