Uptown wrote:Wow...Now everyone is back on the yoot movement?! You mean the same yoot like David Lee that Knick fans bashed and called Jazz Hands and ripped on because he didn't play any D? Yoot like Nate Robinson who fans couldn't wait to run out of town? Maybe yoot like Channing Frye who people on here were comparing to Tim Duncan during his first year, then couldn't wait to **** him out of town by his second year because he wasn't developing fast enough. Or how about Shump. During his first year, Knick fans loved his defense and hustle, now we turned on him and want to move him because he (he is still a yoot, right? It's only his 3rd year) is taking away valuable minutes from another yoot,Tim Hardaway jr (who most Knick fans were upset when we drafted him) who just put on a show at an organized Rucker game.

We can have a team full of yoot, but it doesn't mean they are going to develop into anything special. Even if they do, does anyone have confidence that this organization will keep them? Talent like Melo is hard to come by, I think we do what we can to build around him (or with him, semantics). The Sacramento Kings are loaded with Yoot....How is that working out for them?

why did you leave off the players we kicked to the curb in the carmelo trade?

Our beloved franchise will either change its business model, or become the former LA Clippers under Elgin Baylor.

Meanwhile, franchises in OKC, Boston, Utah, Portland, Phoenix, Washington DC, Chicago, and yes...even Los Angeles... move boldly into the next three years.

Melo will be approaching 34.

You do the math.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactly

Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.

Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.

Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.

You do the math.

I don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.

good job at muddying the waters as usual. dolan and isaiah made the knicks a laughingstock and walsh was brought in to right the ship at stern's "request." the knicks were once a proud flagship franchise and dolan has made it a farce.

at least with walsh you had some sort of plan to flush away the crap that isaiah and dolan created. was the process perfect? hell no. but there was at least a plan, an outline. this plan was summarily spooged by dolan and melo and voila! we have this **** show.

i think you trade melo.

Walsh's tenure was not good. He hired the wrong coach and spent his time in NY trying to fix that. He drafted guys that fit his coaches system or didn't need a mentor which D'Antoni wasn't. He also let everyone know his 'plan' and was taken advantage of in every trade he made. Is a simplistic plan that allows other teams to improve because they know your plan and doesn't work out really a good plan? Come on now. You just want to spin it back to Melo.

i prefer plans to rash and imprudent and impetuous moves. the melo trade was a move from frying pan into the fire.

look at the steaming pile the team has become in his third year here. i would rather the trade never happened and watch the plan in place executed, however flawed. since we don't know how things would have panned out in that scenario it is preferable to how things have actually panned out and it doesn't help i predicted this was going to happen, ie profound underachievement. you wanna hang your hat on 54-wins? go ahead. i saw a second round annihilation.

So everything he has said so far = GIBBERISH, be prepared to lose him for nothing

In the other post I have posted a possible scenario...

Trade AB for Perkin's, expiring's in Sefelosha, Thabeet, and some assets like one of their young guys and a 1st rounder, possibly unloading Pablo/MWP
Trade Tyson Chandler, with Felton, for expirings, cap relief, Felton and/or whoever else is on the books, to Sun's, including Iman Shumpert
Do do some of the above, we might even have to use some of the assets attained and future picks.......
Using the stretch provision on STAT and whoever else like Pablo, etc, like 10 years on STAT contract, making it -2.5 per year of the entire cap
We would go way under the cap and be able to sign some players, though they would likely ALL have to take less in order to come to NYK
Trade JR or not? At 5-6m he could outproduce his contract and right now he will not net back much till he shows his old physical abilities and hunger he had last season....

I cannot think of any other way of why Melo would stay if we cannot make major changes to our lineups

In addition, we would have many roster spots open, and would have to find many vet min steals much like Laker's have done this season, with PT available though I would prefer to change the coach because NO ONE wants to play in Woodson's ISO system but Melo and JR

Also, if he does opt out *which he has stated multiple times that he will in fact do*, resign with a player option in 2015 so he can opt out and recruit with all the 2015 UFA's available to retool, grabbing 1-3 STAR's to play with him

misterearl wrote:Crush - no one said that change would be easy

Our beloved franchise will either change its business model, or become the former LA Clippers under Elgin Baylor.

Meanwhile, franchises in OKC, Boston, Utah, Portland, Phoenix, Washington DC, Chicago, and yes...even Los Angeles... move boldly into the next three years.

Melo will be approaching 34.

You do the math.

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:Wow...Now everyone is back on the yoot movement?! You mean the same yoot like David Lee that Knick fans bashed and called Jazz Hands and ripped on because he didn't play any D? Yoot like Nate Robinson who fans couldn't wait to run out of town? Maybe yoot like Channing Frye who people on here were comparing to Tim Duncan during his first year, then couldn't wait to **** him out of town by his second year because he wasn't developing fast enough. Or how about Shump. During his first year, Knick fans loved his defense and hustle, now we turned on him and want to move him because he (he is still a yoot, right? It's only his 3rd year) is taking away valuable minutes from another yoot,Tim Hardaway jr (who most Knick fans were upset when we drafted him) who just put on a show at an organized Rucker game.

We can have a team full of yoot, but it doesn't mean they are going to develop into anything special. Even if they do, does anyone have confidence that this organization will keep them? Talent like Melo is hard to come by, I think we do what we can to build around him (or with him, semantics). The Sacramento Kings are loaded with Yoot....How is that working out for them?

why did you leave off the players we kicked to the curb in the carmelo trade?

You mean like Raymond Felton ...who Knicks fans referred to as a tyrannaurus Rex because they felt he had really short arms....and besides, now that he has been back with the team, they hate him all over again. Or Gallo, who when we drafted him, Knicks fans complained as a draft pick reach because MDA was friends with s father. Or who was dubbed as a wasted pick after it was found he required back fusion surgery. Or Wilson "The Mayor" Chandler, who many despised as a waste of bench space because he was maddeningly inconsistent (and remains so till this day) or perhaps Mozgov, who many claimed was a reach and overpaid project.

yellowboy90 wrote:So, why are we not hearing how Amar'e should opt out to save the knicks money. I know why but it would be interesting if he did this. If I was the Gm I would be talking to STAT about opting out to sign a low contract for a long time. Maybe even have an under the table deal to extend the contract early to stretch his money. It could be possible to get a lower amount insured.

Amare doesn't have an optout clause.

misterearl wrote:

dk7th wrote:
you are a major flip-flopper but at least you are seeing the light in the 11th hour.

Dk7th - better to be "flip flopped" (intellectually curious and open to new thinking) than a one trick pony.

Ask yourself, When was the last time you posted a new train of thought?

Bashing Melo is so last week.

This is strictly business.

i give him praise when he plays well and i give him criticism when he doesn't. i have been a model of balance and consistency with my approach to him from day 1. so there is no need to make an inaccurate blanket statement about my take on him.

he remains a mostly fool's gold player. it ain't my fault that he plays in a fashion that deserves mostly criticism and not that much praise. that's his fault. all he had to do was grow as a player while here... the same sort of growth that the players he is lumped in with so enthusiastically have demonstrated: lebron, durant, paul george.

at least you have realized what a horrible mistake trading for him was.