Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

yea, I don't get it bonn.. his argument is insane.. why he keeps bring up denver then complaining about denver is absurd...

I don't think he understands.. when you are a rebuilding team like denver.. things like playing above .500 ball, picks, and youth are very important..

when you are a win now team like the knicks.. maxed out aging players, 11 games under .500 and no picks is absolutely tragic.. no matter how you look at it.. doesn't matter who you are a fan of, which player you love or hate.. it is just downright tragic..

Yeah, giving up all your picks just to put together a .400 team is tragic. There's nothing difficult about putting together a .500 team. It's basically the default. You should be able to put together a .500 team without having to give up picks. If you're giving up all your picks, you better have a prolonged stretch of .700 seasons. (And one .400 season plus another .300 season doesn't count as a .700 season!)

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

sanity... so Bonn, when you look at this .400 team what do you see? And if you look at this .400 team with sanity and humility how do you go about fixing it? Because there is one guy performing at a very high level and thats been recognized by the NBA, while others are having career lows and having nights where they literally contribute nothing, yet it appears your focus is to remove the guy who is actually producing. Does this logic not seem utterly INsane? 80% of our starting line up cant buy a basket... I supposed the reason Tyson cant score, Prio and Felton together still dont = one starting PG and Shump is so totally and utterly lost are all Melo's fault also?

Last year, we had kidd, chandler, felton, JR smith(6th man award) all performing at a high level or relatively high level along with caremlo... right? and the knicks got outclassed by the pacers..

what is your angle here? to continue to be outclassed by the likes of the heat, pacers and a healthy bulls team? You seem to stick by the argument that we must pay carmelo 30 mil because we will suck.. well two things.. sucking next year won't be bad since we actually own our pick... and the second.. we suck now.. doesn't matter why, we suck now and carmelo is here.. so I really don't understand your argument.

I thought the goal was to build a team that can reach a level of sustained excellence? carmelo has never been on a team like that, never led a team like that and now it only seems to be getting worse... shouldn't the argument here be to get better, to win a ring? You would think we are losing lebron or shaq in his prime... carmelo has yet to deliver as advertised since he has been here.... shouldn't we be looking to sell high, since according to you fish.. he is recognized by the nba..

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

sanity... so Bonn, when you look at this .400 team what do you see? And if you look at this .400 team with sanity and humility how do you go about fixing it? Because there is one guy performing at a very high level and thats been recognized by the NBA, while others are having career lows and having nights where they literally contribute nothing, yet it appears your focus is to remove the guy who is actually producing. Does this logic not seem utterly INsane? 80% of our starting line up cant buy a basket... I supposed the reason Tyson cant score, Prio and Felton together still dont = one starting PG and Shump is so totally and utterly lost are all Melo's fault also?

Last year, we had kidd, chandler, felton, JR smith(6th man award) all performing at a high level or relatively high level along with caremlo... right? and the knicks got outclassed by the pacers..

what is your angle here? to continue to be outclassed by the likes of the heat, pacers and a healthy bulls team? You seem to stick by the argument that we must pay carmelo 30 mil because we will suck.. well two things.. sucking next year won't be bad since we actually own our pick... and the second.. we suck now.. doesn't matter why, we suck now and carmelo is here.. so I really don't understand your argument.

I thought the goal was to build a team that can reach a level of sustained excellence? carmelo has never been on a team like that, never led a team like that and now it only seems to be getting worse... shouldn't the argument here be to get better, to win a ring? You would think we are losing lebron or shaq in his prime... carmelo has yet to deliver as advertised since he has been here.... shouldn't we be looking to sell high, since according to you fish.. he is recognized by the nba..

Outclasses by the Pacers? Indeed we were.. Lets recap (since we all know you dont watch)

Pacers series:
JR 31 mins/game 29% FGs
Shump 28 mins/game 38% FGs
Tyson 30 mins/game 6 points 6 rebs per game

Lets not forget your heros.. the glue of that 54 win Knick team, the tone setter in Kidd, and your favorite Felton, Mr. He brings it everynight...

Felton: 34 mins/game 40% FGs 4assists per game
Jason Kidd: 6 games, 89 total minutes, 0-8 FGs (thats 0% Bonn) and 10 assists total

Oh yea.... and this guy:
Melo 39mins 28.5ppg 8rebs .433 FG%

So yea... most of the team did get outclassed. One guy didnt. But based on the kind of player you consider a winner its easy to see why your confused. See what happened here is you had about 3/5 of the team grossly underperforming and was inconsistent. Of course those are YOUR kind of build around guys. I would prefer to see high calier talent that produces wins.

Oh.. on that. Weird, as negative a pressense as Melo is (we all know he killed MDA, Linsanity, Santa and hope) wouldnt you think guys would play a little looser on the floor? Play a little better?

There's this site that keeps those stats:
http://www.82games.com/1314/13NYK10.HTM

Weird, cause when Melo is on the floor the Knicks are a winning team. When he's off the floor they are terrible. Wonder if that is why Woody plays him more minutes than any player in the NBA

Funny, either at PF or SF Melo outrebounds, gets more steals, more assists, more points, fewer fouls... literally every stat except FG% he destroys his opponents. His PER is +10 and +11 (thats a good thing) and yet there are donkees around here that just keep singing their same song... hee haw hee haw. RealGM is calling dude... oh wait

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

yea, I don't get it bonn.. his argument is insane.. why he keeps bring up denver then complaining about denver is absurd...

I don't think he understands.. when you are a rebuilding team like denver.. things like playing above .500 ball, picks, and youth are very important..

when you are a win now team like the knicks.. maxed out aging players, 11 games under .500 and no picks is absolutely tragic.. no matter how you look at it.. doesn't matter who you are a fan of, which player you love or hate.. it is just downright tragic..

Yeah, giving up all your picks just to put together a .400 team is tragic. There's nothing difficult about putting together a .500 team. It's basically the default. You should be able to put together a .500 team without having to give up picks. If you're giving up all your picks, you better have a prolonged stretch of .700 seasons. (And one .400 season plus another .300 season doesn't count as a .700 season!)

The Knicks are the definition of "trading 1st round picks and getting worse"

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

sanity... so Bonn, when you look at this .400 team what do you see? And if you look at this .400 team with sanity and humility how do you go about fixing it? Because there is one guy performing at a very high level and thats been recognized by the NBA, while others are having career lows and having nights where they literally contribute nothing, yet it appears your focus is to remove the guy who is actually producing. Does this logic not seem utterly INsane? 80% of our starting line up cant buy a basket... I supposed the reason Tyson cant score, Prio and Felton together still dont = one starting PG and Shump is so totally and utterly lost are all Melo's fault also?

Last year, we had kidd, chandler, felton, JR smith(6th man award) all performing at a high level or relatively high level along with caremlo... right? and the knicks got outclassed by the pacers..

what is your angle here? to continue to be outclassed by the likes of the heat, pacers and a healthy bulls team? You seem to stick by the argument that we must pay carmelo 30 mil because we will suck.. well two things.. sucking next year won't be bad since we actually own our pick... and the second.. we suck now.. doesn't matter why, we suck now and carmelo is here.. so I really don't understand your argument.

I thought the goal was to build a team that can reach a level of sustained excellence? carmelo has never been on a team like that, never led a team like that and now it only seems to be getting worse... shouldn't the argument here be to get better, to win a ring? You would think we are losing lebron or shaq in his prime... carmelo has yet to deliver as advertised since he has been here.... shouldn't we be looking to sell high, since according to you fish.. he is recognized by the nba..

just tells me what I already know. You dont watch the games and have no clue what your talking about. Once again... Carmelo has never had a losing season and when he played on a good team they went to the conf finals. He wasnt good enough to beat the Spurs or Lakers, so your right on that, he did not play on that caliber (title) team.

Outclasses by the Pacers? Indeed we were.. Lets recap (since we all know you dont watch)

Pacers series:
JR 31 mins/game 29% FGs
Shump 28 mins/game 38% FGs
Tyson 30 mins/game 6 points 6 rebs per game

Lets not forget your heros.. the glue of that 54 win Knick team, the tone setter in Kidd, and your favorite Felton, Mr. He brings it everynight...

Felton: 34 mins/game 40% FGs 4assists per game
Jason Kidd: 6 games, 89 total minutes, 0-8 FGs (thats 0% Bonn) and 10 assists total

Oh yea.... and this guy:
Melo 39mins 28.5ppg 8rebs .433 FG%

So yea... most of the team did get outclassed. One guy didnt. But based on the kind of player you consider a winner its easy to see why your confused. See what happened here is you had about 3/5 of the team grossly underperforming and was inconsistent. Of course those are YOUR kind of build around guys. I would prefer to see high calier talent that produces wins.

Oh.. on that. Weird, as negative a pressense as Melo is (we all know he killed MDA, Linsanity, Santa and hope) wouldnt you think guys would play a little looser on the floor? Play a little better?

There's this site that keeps those stats:
http://www.82games.com/1314/13NYK10.HTM

Weird, cause when Melo is on the floor the Knicks are a winning team. When he's off the floor they are terrible. Wonder if that is why Woody plays him more minutes than any player in the NBA

Funny, either at PF or SF Melo outrebounds, gets more steals, more assists, more points, fewer fouls... literally every stat except FG% he destroys his opponents. His PER is +10 and +11 (thats a good thing) and yet there are donkees around here that just keep singing their same song... hee haw hee haw. RealGM is calling dude... oh wait

fish lets get this straight.. I have been more correct about this team and organization than you have.. so before you start talking about what I watch and what I know check that first.. I have been wiping the floor with you these past few weeks and it is evident by your snippy, childish post.. You can't even stay on course with a conversation.. are you that hurt? I will send you flowers and a box of candy next friday... cool?

Carmelo has never had a losing season and when he played on a good team they went to the conf finals.

you keep running that same line, the problem is you don't see how irrelevant it is.... tell me, how has that translated into playoff success fish? it hasn't... and guess what, when robery horry played on a good team, he went to the finals and won... many times..

when derek fisher played on a good team... they went to the finals....

when paul pierce played on a good team, he went to the finals..

shall I continue?

Oh yea.... and this guy:
Melo 39mins 28.5ppg 8rebs .433 FG%

rofl.. 43% shooting.. that is not good fish.. add to the fact that he didn't defend and was shut down when PG was on him.. he shot 32% when guarded by george...

So yea... most of the team did get outclassed. One guy didnt. But based on the kind of player you consider a winner its easy to see why your confused. See what happened here is you had about 3/5 of the team grossly underperforming and was inconsistent. Of course those are YOUR kind of build around guys. I would prefer to see high calier talent that produces wins.

yea, there you go.. are you a knick fan or carmelo fan.. he is part of the team... the knicks got outclassed.. carmelo got outplayed and outclassed by george... empty stats 28/5 when you are taking over 20 shots per fish.. and here is another thing.. the knicks were outclassed because they have no leadership.. their best player doesn't defend and doesn't pass.. his style isn't conducive to winning when it counts..

on the flipside.. the young stud in indy.. paul george not only was a leader, but he defends, sets the tone and oh.. he lead all player... ALL players in assists with 30 in the series.. even roy hibber had more dimes than carmelo.... carmelo with a big 8 asssist the whole series.... smh

Weird, cause when Melo is on the floor the Knicks are a winning team. When he's off the floor they are terrible. Wonder if that is why Woody plays him more minutes than any player in the NBA

LOL.. we have been through this before.. knicks have a losing record..fish...You are not interpreting that stat correctly.. you are looking at +/- stat, that doesn't mean you are a winning team fish, because we all know the knicks are 11 games under .500.. what what that tells you genius is that the knicks are better with carmelo on the floor, but still a bad team..... they are just not as worse.... whoopty damn doo!!!!!

a better stat would be how are the knicks without him.. since he has been here we are 14-16 without him.... plus a minus a game or two, I may be slightly off.... also the games he missed we also had other injuries... so again, you are just reaching for empty stat...