What's the difference between Jimmer Fredette and Seth Curry? Everything positive being said about Fredette on this thread essentially applies to Seth Curry too, no? A case could be made that Curry might even be a better player (just as good a shooter, both are capable of making plays off the dribble, Curry might have the better handle, is probably a better passer with better court vision, passing, etc.). I dunno -- a smaller move like this feels like much better asset management to me.

Finestrg wrote:Just a thought -- if we indeed covet this type of player, why not just cut a useless piece off this roster and sign Seth Curry to a contract? Discard the useless Beno Udrih or maybe K-Mart who makes the minimum, is always hurt and is pretty much expendable now with the emergence of Jeremy Tyler (let's face it -- neither one of these guys have any value anyway now), sign Seth Curry & keep Shumpert around to either build back up or potentially deal away in a much more significant trade.

What's the difference between Jimmer Fredette and Seth Curry? Everything positive being said about Fredette on this thread essentially applies to Seth Curry too, no? A case could be made that Curry might even be a better player (just as good a shooter, both are capable of making plays off the dribble, Curry might have the better handle, is probably a better passer with better court vision, passing, etc.). I dunno -- a smaller move like this feels like much better asset management to me.

Fine. Huge difference.
1jimmer is a 3 year vet
2jimmer is powerfully buil
3just look at jimmers proven nba track record over the last 20 games with Rudy gay

we have no clue what Seth curry can do its not a comparison imho

BRIGGS wrote:I think everyone posts trades that are completely not happening and I'm probably one of the worst offenders. But I think this move is plausible and makes sense. Shumpert is done as a knick. IMHO. He needs a change of scenery and playing with cousins gay Thomas etc. is a nice choice for his assets. On the other end we can slide jimmer into the Pablo spot and take pressure off of Felton and add to our offense. We've relied on inconsistent players and little moves like this might go a long way and the cost is negligible. Look at Memphis since they traded for Courtney lee. They've barely lost

See my REALISTIC TRADES thread, make absolute sense for all parties involved. Make us better, by alot

BRIGGS wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Just a thought -- if we indeed covet this type of player, why not just cut a useless piece off this roster and sign Seth Curry to a contract? Discard the useless Beno Udrih or maybe K-Mart who makes the minimum, is always hurt and is pretty much expendable now with the emergence of Jeremy Tyler (let's face it -- neither one of these guys have any value anyway now), sign Seth Curry & keep Shumpert around to either build back up or potentially deal away in a much more significant trade.

What's the difference between Jimmer Fredette and Seth Curry? Everything positive being said about Fredette on this thread essentially applies to Seth Curry too, no? A case could be made that Curry might even be a better player (just as good a shooter, both are capable of making plays off the dribble, Curry might have the better handle, is probably a better passer with better court vision, passing, etc.). I dunno -- a smaller move like this feels like much better asset management to me.

Fine. Huge difference.
1jimmer is a 3 year vet
2jimmer is powerfully buil
3just look at jimmers proven nba track record over the last 20 games with Rudy gay

we have no clue what Seth curry can do its not a comparison imho

Shumpert for Fredette is not a terrible idea and it's definitely plausible. Just the way my mind works now I guess, ever since we went through the Isiah Thomas years of making mistake after mistake and then compounding them with further mistakes, I'm extremely guarded on every deal we make now--how much we give away vs. how much we net in return. I just can't bear the thought of losing another trade, pissing away picks, mis-managing the salary cap, etc.. In this particular case -- what concerns me is giving up on Shumpert and not bringing in acceptable value in return. I don't think Shumpert's done as a player by a longshot. He performed very well last year, coming back and making great progress post injury (esp. with his jumper which is night & day compared to when he played at G-Tech); he had that great 3rd quarter in the playoffs last yr in Indy; he looked good this pre-season and recently, almost singlehandedly beat every single Texas team in their own gym--our most impressive stretch of the season by far thanks in large part to Mr. Shumpert. I haven't forgotten any of this. There are things I'd like to see him approve on (driving to the hole, drawing/absorbing contact & finishing at the rim; his passing skills) but when you factor in his age, size, strength, athleticism, defensive ability -- Shump still has substantial value imo. To me -- Woodson got it wrong with this kid right away starting in pre-season -- telling the press JR will start even when he was hurt/suspended (he never should've said something so ridiculous to the press like that) and then right throughout the season by not making him a bigger part of the offense, by not instilling the right amount of confidence in this young man, etc. That's all definitely contributed to this kid having a rough year thus far. No question..

Now I realize he's since regressed again but those games told me the man has + talent and value. Fredette to me may not be proper value in return. He can shoot and score but his ceiling isn't as high as Shumpert's imho. I don't feel like he will ever be the same type of player in the pros as he was at BYU.. At BYU he was the man; in the NBA, he's a role player. You yourself compared him to Steve Kerr (I actually think he's a little better than Kerr but point taken). Now add that to the fact that Jimmer isn't a true PG, is undersized for the 2G position, doesn't play great D -- plus he's an expiring contract. What if some team out there wants him and we wind up losing him to the highest bidder this off-season (similar to how we lost Chris Copeland)? Then we will have nothing to show for dealing away Shumpert at all. And then flip side -- do we really want to get involved in a bidding war for Jimmer Fredette, a role player? I would hate to wind up overspending on this type of player, esp. when a very similar talent is out there in Seth Curry that we could get for nothing and keep Shumpert.

You talked about dealing us back into the draft this summer, maybe even the first round -- something I definitely agree with. What I don't agree with is that cash alone gets us there. I could be wrong -- Toney Douglas is the most recent proof a few years ago ($3mm + a future 2nd rounder got us Douglas at 29 I believe) -- but I just don't see that happening again. If we want back into the lower part of the 1st round, there's a higher probability that trading Shumpert could get us there. Or Shumpert could be involved in a different trade, something a little better than netting a Steve Kerr-type on an expiring contract.

To me, Seth Curry has value. I've talked about this guy before and when you brought up Fredette, it made me think of him again. I don't think Seth's that difficult a talent to quantify -- I think we have a pretty good idea what he could do in the NBA. He played well at Duke last year (good enough to have gotten drafted imo) and has performed even better in the DL this year (even earned himself a call-up with Memphis a few weeks ago) before experiencing slight slippage recently. Brings a lot of similar things to the table compared to Jimmer -- Jimmer Fredette isn't Kobe Bryant, he's not even Steph Curry. I think this is a pretty easy comparison to make actually...These guys are similar -- neither is a true point, Curry may in fact have the edge here (handle, passing, court vision etc)., both are similar in size (true Jimmer may be a tad bulker/stronger but how does this attribute exactly give him some huge edge over Seth Curry at their position -- PG/undersized SG?), both can create off the dribble in a similar fashion (main reason I give Fredette and Curry an edge over someone like Steve Kerr---neither guy has that great a first step but Curry may have the edge here too with a slightly superior handle and better looking foot speed), they're both quality shooters (both are known for their shooting), both are around the same age, etc. Bottom line here -- I think Seth Curry could accomplish the same thing: having a heady, combo guard that can handle it a little, shoot it well and space the floor for a guy like Anthony. Thing here is we retain Shumpert for the time being...If it were me, I'd give Curry a shot in this role first before I entertained dealing away Shumpert for a guy like Fredette.

callmened wrote:heres why im not in favor of getting fredette:

- he cant play defense
- hes a SG masquerading as a PG
- cant create his own shot
- he barely plays for the kings (worst teams in the league)
- HE CANT PLAY DEFENSE...no more of that

folks are we really talking about the jimmer?

The best I can see for the Jimmer is FA role player.

The number one priority is a running buddy for Tim Haradway Jr, who loves to male a pass while weaving through traffic off the dribble

holfresh wrote:You can't trade Shump for a guy who is almost out the league ..Can't create his own shot or guard anyone..Novak 2.0

Jimmer is better than shumpert. If jimmer was playing the prigs position. Wed be 10games better easy

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:You can't trade Shump for a guy who is almost out the league ..Can't create his own shot or guard anyone..Novak 2.0

Jimmer is better than shumpert. If jimmer was playing the prigs position. Wed be 10games better easy