Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:No Lowry is a bulldog unlike Felton. He is strong and can penetrate. Good enough plAymaker not great but he can hit an open shot again unlike felton

Billups is the exact opposite

felton is a bulldog as well he is just not as talented.. but you can't question his will and how hard he plays.. actually if not for felton, do we even get past boston last year?

So you get on Melo because you think his defense is poor but appreciate Felton, who not only plays the worst defense on the team, but also comes to camp out of shape and FAT every year of his career. A guy that can't lay off the twinkles when it's his damn job to come ready to play is the farthest thing from a serious athlete. Look at Felton from his UNC days, his body has completely changed, he's a damn blob. For someone that loves assists and FG% you choose to defend a player that does neither well. What exactly is so hard working about Felton, that he doesn't have a heart attack every time his overweight frame plays more than 6 minutes without a rest? The guy is gassed every 4th quarter. I can't even believe you're going to defend a PG who struggles to get 4 assists every night.

Unbelievable.

Please don't waste your time. tkf is still living with his head so far up his azz he's still hyping JKidd as the true MVP of the league last year.
Do we get to Boston without Melo? In tkf world, the answer is yes.

Truly delusional.

fishmike wrote:Dude..Billups was probably the best defensive PG in the league for a pretty good stretch. Lowry?

his defense is good. leads the league in charges taken - this doesn't happen unless you know the nuances of the game and where to position yourself.. and he stops the point of attack in the 4th quarters as we are the best 4th quarter team in the league. and a top 5 defense in the league. he is playing like an all star - is running and controlling the team and should be in the top 10 of mvp consideration this year. he is more vital to the team than demar. 17-9 since the rudy deal - 53 win pace.

sealy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:No Lowry is a bulldog unlike Felton. He is strong and can penetrate. Good enough plAymaker not great but he can hit an open shot again unlike felton

Billups is the exact opposite

felton is a bulldog as well he is just not as talented.. but you can't question his will and how hard he plays.. actually if not for felton, do we even get past boston last year?

yea.. Felton is great. Weird though... he shoots 40%. Thats terrible. Arent you someone who thinks player effeciency is important? Isnt that your knock on Melo? And Felton cant guard anyone anymore... every guard gets in the lane against him.

Felton sucks.. but your observations are consistent as its clear you dont understand what your seeing (if you actually watch Knick basketball)

Yeah I don't get the Felton defense, the guy is atrocious and probably more inconsistent than Bargs on the offensive end. Don't even need to bring up his D because it is non-existent. Mills needs to acquire a better stop-gap PG for next yr without compromising the 2015 Cap space.

I have never been crazy about Melo, but I cannot knock him this season because, unlike Fat boy Felton, I cannot question how hard he's played all year. Hopefully he resigns w/ some wiggle room, realizing it's the best way to acquire talent around him for run at a ring. If he goes, elsewhere then I will enjoy speculating about who's coming to NY.

wait, again, who is defending felton.. if you think his defense is atrocious, then tell me, what do you think about the defense of JR smith, THJ, and most of all carmelo and amare?

felton is limited, but he plays hard, that is my point..

felton is not that good, but the guy plays hard.... plays injured...

what I also find funny is that people were justifying getting felton back over lin.. I didn't hear anything about him being fat then...

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5/7/2012 10:35 AM
if we keep Lin and add Felton its a coup.
Felton is the strong defender we need at PG and with Lin's health he will get plenty of time. Since Lin is more a scorer he can also play some SG until Shump is back

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I like this a lot. Felton was awesome for us. One of them can play SG, as mentioned. Both are 6'3" guards, so we're not completely outmatched if one is playing SG from time to time. If we get Felton, it ensures we get 48 minutes per game of solid PG play. This is something we were not getting last year.

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5/7/2012 8:15 AM
Awesome...Loved Felton and his hard nose play..He brings defense and I hope he remembers a few nuances from the pick and roll..Some say MDA isn't here so he might not be able to run it on his own, I beg to differ..Defense, ok rebounding numbers, better than a steal a game, what's not to like..

these are just a few, I find it amazing how the perception of a player changes around here once we start losing and looking for scapegoats..

tkf wrote:

sealy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:No Lowry is a bulldog unlike Felton. He is strong and can penetrate. Good enough plAymaker not great but he can hit an open shot again unlike felton

Billups is the exact opposite

felton is a bulldog as well he is just not as talented.. but you can't question his will and how hard he plays.. actually if not for felton, do we even get past boston last year?

yea.. Felton is great. Weird though... he shoots 40%. Thats terrible. Arent you someone who thinks player effeciency is important? Isnt that your knock on Melo? And Felton cant guard anyone anymore... every guard gets in the lane against him.

Felton sucks.. but your observations are consistent as its clear you dont understand what your seeing (if you actually watch Knick basketball)

Yeah I don't get the Felton defense, the guy is atrocious and probably more inconsistent than Bargs on the offensive end. Don't even need to bring up his D because it is non-existent. Mills needs to acquire a better stop-gap PG for next yr without compromising the 2015 Cap space.

I have never been crazy about Melo, but I cannot knock him this season because, unlike Fat boy Felton, I cannot question how hard he's played all year. Hopefully he resigns w/ some wiggle room, realizing it's the best way to acquire talent around him for run at a ring. If he goes, elsewhere then I will enjoy speculating about who's coming to NY.

wait, again, who is defending felton.. if you think his defense is atrocious, then tell me, what do you think about the defense of JR smith, THJ, and most of all carmelo and amare?

felton is limited, but he plays hard, that is my point..

felton is not that good, but the guy plays hard.... plays injured...

You seemed to be defending him. Referring to last year's win against Rondo-less Boston where it took 6 games is irrelevant. Let's see how he handles him tonight, even with Rondo still not 100%.

To answer - I think JR's D sucks; I think THJr's D sucks. As I said about Carmelo (where I'm sure you're trying to take the debate about Felton) is that he is playing very hard and I think his one-on-one D has been much better than I've ever seen in his career. Amare's D is awful. Why are you deflecting away from Felton? What do any of these guy's have to do w/ Ray Felton? They don't have as much heart? The NBA is about talent.

If you think Ray plays harder than most (I don't) it's because he is not in shape. He plays hurt all the time because he's not in shape. I'm supposed to give him a pat on the back for that? Gimme a break...

Can you honestly tell me Felton has played harder than Melo this year?
Do you think the Knicks would be better if they had a PG who was more talented?

gunsnewing wrote:Jeff green is a good SF to target

Yes he would be a great target. Nice compliment to Melo. Add he and Lowry and develop Hardaway and you have a real supporting cast for Melo forming, not this garbage we have now.

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Jeff green is a good SF to target

Yes he would be a great target. Nice compliment to Melo. Add he and Lowry and develop Hardaway and you have a real supporting cast for Melo forming, not this garbage we have now.

He plays good D and can score. Even carry you at times offensively

Knixkik wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Jeff green is a good SF to target

Yes he would be a great target. Nice compliment to Melo. Add he and Lowry and develop Hardaway and you have a real supporting cast for Melo forming, not this garbage we have now.

how is that? jeff green plays small forward.. and actually defends.. He would be a replacement... where you can keep chandler if you must and then look to add a max contract ( if you must) and a real PF, someone like love, or even a top flight PG if available.. where you are not asking a SF to guard the likes of DAvid west..

can you elaborate how green compliment carmelo.. better yet, how does carmelo compliment green? how does he make green better?

But they probably have their eyes set on rondo and Melo at $30mil per

Did not love Melo in Denver, did not like the trade but the guy has won me over with his play but Im quite real as to the dynamics of his game and the real problem is not him but the price we paid to get him,and other moves that have depleted our cup board of assets. Horriific guard play and injuries this year is killing us. Im not blaming woodson or Bargnani who has shown some flashes of being a good player. Not great, but good. Because of his range it allows Melo to play "the 4" and beast. Problem is Melo-Chandler-Barnani-felton have not played too many games to build the chemistry needed for a run.

I don't trust La La encouraging words. If there is a time to rebuild now is not the time to commit to youth. GOtta have picks to do that.

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:No Lowry is a bulldog unlike Felton. He is strong and can penetrate. Good enough plAymaker not great but he can hit an open shot again unlike felton

Billups is the exact opposite

felton is a bulldog as well he is just not as talented.. but you can't question his will and how hard he plays.. actually if not for felton, do we even get past boston last year?

So you get on Melo because you think his defense is poor but appreciate Felton, who not only plays the worst defense on the team, but also comes to camp out of shape and FAT every year of his career. A guy that can't lay off the twinkles when it's his damn job to come ready to play is the farthest thing from a serious athlete. Look at Felton from his UNC days, his body has completely changed, he's a damn blob. For someone that loves assists and FG% you choose to defend a player that does neither well. What exactly is so hard working about Felton, that he doesn't have a heart attack every time his overweight frame plays more than 6 minutes without a rest? The guy is gassed every 4th quarter. I can't even believe you're going to defend a PG who struggles to get 4 assists every night.

Unbelievable.

again why misquote what I said.. i said felton plays hard, but is limited... he was a huge part of winning the boston series.. but the blame he takes is ridiculous.. the guy is probably maxing out all of his potential, everything he has.... if all of the players did that, the knicks would be better...

you are arguing something different.. other than amare and chandler I don't think anyone on this team comes to camp in prime shape...

that he doesn't have a heart attack every time his overweight frame plays more than 6 minutes without a rest

the heart? how can you judge that? I would say he doesn't have the skill? why doesn't carmelo drive more, he shoots more jumpers than anyone, does he lack the heart?

your frustrations are misdirected..

for the record, felton is not very good.. but that is no surprise, but I believe he gives full and all out effort, he just lacks the ability... how can you fault him for that?