gunsnewing wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo is a great scorer. No one can argue that. The thing is we don't have any assets to surround him with players he needs. We lost all that in the trade. If you can figure out how to surround him with better players at our current state then I am all for it. If not, then we need to blow this up.

My fear is that instead of trading Tyson and letting Amare and Bargnani expire they are going to trade his expiring for another injury riddled malcontent then we are stuck with Melo and another guy riding the line for another decade

Silverfuel wrote:tkf's Melo hate has made him a joke at this point. Use the ignore feature on him.

why don't you take your own advice.. rofl..

gunsnewing wrote:If rondo proves to be healthy by 2015. Even then I'm not sure I want his act. Portland is not letting Aldridge walk. Love and Melo won't work because they both occupy the same space. Our best bet is to draft a PG next year with our lottery pick. Hopefully it's a deep draft for PG's unless we can pry Kyrie away from Cleveland or someone like that

They both can play inside and outside, that would be the ultimate compliment for those two type of players..U can't double either and they can board..They are interchangeable..

Silverfuel wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Melo is a great scorer. No one can argue that. The thing is we don't have any assets to surround him with players he needs. We lost all that in the trade. If you can figure out how to surround him with better players at our current state then I am all for it. If not, then we need to blow this up.

My fear is that instead of trading Tyson and letting Amare and Bargnani expire they are going to trade his expiring for another injury riddled malcontent then we are stuck with Melo and another guy riding the line for another decade

So you don't trust them with trading Tyson and Amare and Bargs but somehow you are OK with blow it up and expect them to rebuild the right way? Makes no sense.

No I said I want to trade Tyson. He has value. You can get a late 1st rounder for him. I DONT want to trade Amare or Bargnani at all unless a team wants the cap space and will give us picks. I don't want to trade them for other teams problems like we've done In the past. Those problems are expensive. Either injury riddled or malcontents

tkf wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:it was a good performance nothing more... his team is 11 games under .500 it is a reminder not to make this more than it is.. again I figured I would see these types of threads, would appear... but the next game I am sure will wake you guys up again.. a personal achievment for carmelo.. nothing more...

62 points and 0 assist don't impress me..

Um...62 points doesn't impress you? And he should get an assist for every time he was doubled last night which led to open shots.

no it doesn't not to the level of how you guys are impressed.. this league has seen guys drop 70+ and 80... I have seen guys like willie burton and tony delk drop 50+... it is no secret that at any point someone can have a hot, hot scoring night.. jamal crawford scoring 16 consecutive baskets.. impressed me.... 10 consecutive threes impress me..

Melo could've done this in 2 separate occasions last year. Woodson even admitted last night he messed up by pulling him and cooling him off. Guys like Tony Delk can do it once but not as often as guys like Jordan Kobe Lebron and Melo

What I bet you will find is that the outside perception of last nights game does not match that of the fanbase..

for example.. durant scores 54 points, he has been on a tremendous 10 game tear.. ESPN had a segment about durant seperating himself from lebron in the MVP race after that outburst..

you see the outside perception and expectations more than likely matches OKC fanbase expectations and perception.. they don't care that durant Draaaaaaags his team to the postseason, or that he wins another scoring title.. they expect to be in the finals.. they may care to a certain extent if he wins MVP, but that may come hand in hand with him getting to the finals..

so I ask again, has last night changed your expectations of carmelo and what he will do for our team, without having to place unnecessary blame on his teamates.

and another thing, for those who feel getting rid of carmelo, the knicks won't be able to score.. okc last night didn't have durant or westbrook and they scored 101 points... and please name their scorers.....

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:

SJUknicksfan wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:it was a good performance nothing more... his team is 11 games under .500 it is a reminder not to make this more than it is.. again I figured I would see these types of threads, would appear... but the next game I am sure will wake you guys up again.. a personal achievment for carmelo.. nothing more...

62 points and 0 assist don't impress me..

Um...62 points doesn't impress you? And he should get an assist for every time he was doubled last night which led to open shots.

no it doesn't not to the level of how you guys are impressed.. this league has seen guys drop 70+ and 80... I have seen guys like willie burton and tony delk drop 50+... it is no secret that at any point someone can have a hot, hot scoring night.. jamal crawford scoring 16 consecutive baskets.. impressed me.... 10 consecutive threes impress me..

Melo could've done this in 2 separate occasions last year. Woodson even admitted last night he messed up by pulling him and cooling him off. Guys like Tony Delk can do it once but not as often as guys like Jordan Kobe Lebron and Melo

ok guns then i guess you are expecting him to do this 4 or 5 more times this year.. and I don't want to hear about him not having help.. he did this without amare, kenyon, bargs.. etc.. you see how this argument becomes one of contradiction?

Guys like Tony Delk can do it once but not as often as guys like Jordan Kobe Lebron and Melo

ok guns I mentioned Allan Houston, And jamal crawford. they have done so multiple times.. I never seen any threads about building around them? and honestly we went to the finals with Houston....that would have been a more valid argument on his behalf..

gunsnewing wrote:You are warming me up to Love. Essentially do what bargani isn't capable of doing by spreading the floor and he rebounds

You would need a heck of a defensive anchor in the middle though. Love and Melo are horrible at defending their positions SF/PF

Melo need another consistent player next to him...Love is the perfect guy...Love can take the scoring load off Melo so he can do other things..Outside of scoring, Melo can pass and rebound...I want to see the pieces around him to make this happen...A PG like Lowry and another forward like Love with Melo can be lethal...I want to see a team constructed where Melo doesn't have to score every night...I think then we can compete with the elite teams...

gunsnewing wrote:If Melo keeps putting up 13rebs and 7assists with better players around him I think he IS someone you can build around. Melo never did that consistently last year. This is much more impressive than winning a scoring title.

I totally agree but again, I think he has trust issues..I don't think he is as selfish as some think...

are 3 players that would be less than combined salary of 25m per year deal
Not money well spent for ONE player....

Melo is one of the better scorers in the league but he isn't good enough to build around at a max extension
We should build around a core NOT 1 player IF we want to be able to contend
However, if we can build a core WITH him in 2015, I do think it is possible if he is willing to take less, just my opinion....