fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:So weird.. ESPN did a nice piece on how Melo moved the ball and created so many open shots vs the Lakers. He must have paid them

well I am glad you are on board with ESPN fish.. they also had him ranked behind guys like parker, love, george and blake griffin... maybe he didn't pay them enough... but hey since you are quoting them, I am sure you agree with that ranking.. right fish?

hahaha... yea and Melo had a bad game against the Clippers! Your on a roll dude! Cant stop you

I will take that as you waiving the white flag..

smart move fish..

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:So weird.. ESPN did a nice piece on how Melo moved the ball and created so many open shots vs the Lakers. He must have paid them

well I am glad you are on board with ESPN fish.. they also had him ranked behind guys like parker, love, george and blake griffin... maybe he didn't pay them enough... but hey since you are quoting them, I am sure you agree with that ranking.. right fish?

hahaha... yea and Melo had a bad game against the Clippers! Your on a roll dude! Cant stop you

I will take that as you waiving the white flag..

smart move fish..

gunsnewing wrote:3 not 2?!

You gotta f'ing kidding me

tkf wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This is on the knicks but moving melo back to 4 from 3 with two slow chugging 7fts killed the the team. With melo at4 gives much more space for our offense. Removing bargs was key. It was a toxic trade that back fired. I doubt he plays another game as a knick good riddance

Stop with this nonsense.

Our guards have been by far the worst guards in the NBA --- all season long.

Bargs has been our 2nd best player all-year and Melo has played very well all season.

We have potentially the worst starting pg and worst starting sg in the NBA and our former defensive player of the year has been completely out-played by BARGs all year.

that may be true, and I said from the start the bargs trade was just dumb.... but not only is our back court bad, but with bargs and meloser on the front line we have one of the slowest and worst defending front lines in the NBA as well... the combination along with the back court is a huge part of the reason why we are 10 games under .500 putting up numbers does not necessarily mean you are playing "very well"..

"meloser" ? can you please stop with these stupid nicknames ? that does not help validate any of your arguments and this is not really funny either (but i get that this is not your purpose though)

helloharv wrote:didnt we win 5 in a row WITH Bargs ?

I don't remember him making any contributions to that streak, except for one game. I think he scored about 10pts per game, shot 40 something % and averaged about 5 or 6 rebounds, during that stretch.

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Prigs is back and the ball is moving better, Tyler is making a name for himself, Tyson is looking healthier, JR is playing under control and sharing the rock. Melo uncharacteristically put on his game face and was barking out orders to his teammates in that 62pt game. But sure, its all because bargs is out.

At least two (Tyson and Tyler playing well) probably wouldn't have happened with Bargs in, and possibly more than 2.
No one said the blame falls entirely on Bargs. He's only part of the problem.

I would agree that bargs has his drawbacks but I don't buy that this turnaround is all about him being out. I know you aren't saying as much but some posters seem to be making that case which is wrong IMO.

smackeddog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Prigs is back and the ball is moving better, Tyler is making a name for himself, Tyson is looking healthier, JR is playing under control and sharing the rock. Melo uncharacteristically put on his game face and was barking out orders to his teammates in that 62pt game. But sure, its all because bargs is out.

At least two (Tyson and Tyler playing well) probably wouldn't have happened with Bargs in, and possibly more than 2.
No one said the blame falls entirely on Bargs. He's only part of the problem.

I would agree that bargs has his drawbacks but I don't buy that this turnaround is all about him being out. I know you aren't saying as much but some posters seem to be making that case which is wrong IMO.

I've no idea whether we've won these games because he's out, but I will say that he seems to have a negative impact on the game when he plays- that's what the old eye test says, what Raptor fans warned us about and what advance stats (which aren't my forte!) say.

I look at what his teammates are doing on the floor when he is out there which is usually just standing and watching. Bargs doesn't hold onto the ball long enough to be called a ball stopper, he has a quick release on his jumper, and goes right to the rim, maybe after a hesitation move. I blame Bargs for coming out flat late in games (even though he was getting better before he got hurt) but not for being a selfish player. Tyson has had trouble meshing with Stat and Bargs, both of them are out and Tyson is looking better. That has something to do with it as well. Tyson creates more chemistry problems than Bargs does on this team.

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Prigs is back and the ball is moving better, Tyler is making a name for himself, Tyson is looking healthier, JR is playing under control and sharing the rock. Melo uncharacteristically put on his game face and was barking out orders to his teammates in that 62pt game. But sure, its all because bargs is out.

At least two (Tyson and Tyler playing well) probably wouldn't have happened with Bargs in, and possibly more than 2.
No one said the blame falls entirely on Bargs. He's only part of the problem.

I would agree that bargs has his drawbacks but I don't buy that this turnaround is all about him being out. I know you aren't saying as much but some posters seem to be making that case which is wrong IMO.

I've no idea whether we've won these games because he's out, but I will say that he seems to have a negative impact on the game when he plays- that's what the old eye test says, what Raptor fans warned us about and what advance stats (which aren't my forte!) say.

I look at what his teammates are doing on the floor when he is out there which is usually just standing and watching. Bargs doesn't hold onto the ball long enough to be called a ball stopper, he has a quick release on his jumper, and goes right to the rim, maybe after a hesitation move. I blame Bargs for coming out flat late in games (even though he was getting better before he got hurt) but not for being a selfish player. Tyson has had trouble meshing with Stat and Bargs, both of them are out and Tyson is looking better. That has something to do with it as well. Tyson creates more chemistry problems than Bargs does on this team.

Do you think it was the same thing every year in Toronto too?
Maybe Bargs just isn't the kind of player you want on your team

I wouldn't call the coaching in Toronto stellar by any means. Bargs might not end up being a good fit in NY, but I'm pretty sure that an elite coach would know how to make the most out of what he can do. I wouldn't mind bringing him off the bench at the 5 to see if that would improve team chemistry. Would be a hell of a second unit.