NardDogNation wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:I'd take a chance on tyreke for sure. I know it was a few years ago but do people forget he was a triple double waiting to happen every night? Can shoot pass rebound, if we can get this guy we should. Everyone is looking for a savior,we just need to start adding good players.

He's not even a good player. He has really low bball IQ and the same exact flaws that he's had since he came into the league. Trading for him would be like trading for the 21st century version of Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Clearance Weatherspoon, etc.

how does anyone who averages 20/6/5 in a year have "low bball iq" none of those players you mentioned are anywhere near the same level of talent as tyreke evans.. wake up bro.

JR Smith posted a similar stat line without the assists, just last year. Isiah Rider put up 19.7ppg, 4rpg and 3apg during his hayday. Same with Ricky Davis. All of them were dumb, albeit very talented, players. More importantly, you had to reach all the way back to Evan's rookie season to find a stat line like that. That was nearly 5 years ago. So I ask, who is really the one that needs to wake up?

uhm, has evans play really deteriorated since that year? about the only that thing changed is that his MPG went down because he was injury-riddled. his 36mpg stats are very similar to his rookie year. the difference between 20/6/5 and 20/4/3 is quite drastic, so your comparison is thin.

A 2apg and 2rpg is not that dramatic especially when you consider that Evans played more minutes and was a primary ballhandler while Smith, Rider AND Davis were all offball guards. And I don't think Evans' play detriorated as much as he's an easy player to figure out, who has not improved. He goes right every-time and still can't shoot jump shots consistently. Worst still is that he stagnates ball movement and is completely useless if the ball isn't in his hand. His play is cancerous, which is why the Kings had no interest in re-signing him and the Hornets want to get rid of him with him just 3 months into his contract. You honestly think that you're onto something that paid professionals are not?

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Hornets were rumored to be shopping Eric Gordon too. So they are trying to maximize the talent on the roster. Remember they do have Austin rivers too. They are trying to move salary to another position

Rivers is a bum. I doubt he'll ever be worthy of being a starter. And if their goal was to maximize the talent on the roster, why are they looking to trade guys now, when their trade value is at a low? I think that they think they made a mistake and are trying to remedy it now as best they can.

I just think they are trying to get better. They need a big man and they could use a small fwd too.

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We could easily put him at starting PG for 40 minutes and that would be a significant upgrade if they went 1-1 with Tyson(they said they wanted a big)

This is insane. Evans is worth about $3 mil a year. His defensive #s are really bad and his offensive efficiency is below average. I'd rather waive Tyson before adding Evans for 4 years $45 mil! (Obviously I'm not saying waive him though)

I agree with you but the scary thing is that I still think BRIGGS has a point. You know and I know that our backcourt is horrendously bad, so it wouldn't take much to upgrade the talent level. The only major problem I have with dealing for Evans is the length of his contract. Dealing Tyson for him though, would be ridiculous IMO.

NardDogNation wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We could easily put him at starting PG for 40 minutes and that would be a significant upgrade if they went 1-1 with Tyson(they said they wanted a big)

This is insane. Evans is worth about $3 mil a year. His defensive #s are really bad and his offensive efficiency is below average. I'd rather waive Tyson before adding Evans for 4 years $45 mil! (Obviously I'm not saying waive him though)

I agree with you but the scary thing is that I still think BRIGGS has a point. You know and I know that our backcourt is horrendously bad, so it wouldn't take much to upgrade the talent level. The only major problem I have with dealing for Evans is the length of his contract. Dealing Tyson for him though, would be ridiculous IMO.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/carmelo-anthony-s-magical-62-point-night-shows-why-he-should-never-leave-new-york-054123184.html

Now if the plan is to rebuild, this is looking good -- the Knicks need to go out of their way using the media, agents, players (Kobe vs. D-Rose), fans, Melo himself--any and all hype devices available to them--to create an optimum bidding war between these two teams, much like the one that was created by the Nuggets between us and the Nets. If we're going to rebuild -- the Knicks need to be proactive and pursue this themselves. Pit one team against another, along with any other team that enters the picture, and take it to the limit. Build as much competition between all these teams as possible. Create a frenzy...Under no circumstances can we let Anthony enter FA where we could lose him for nothing. Denver didn't let that happen; we can't let that happen either.

The question here would then be -- do we want Steve Mills overseeing such an important endeavor like this for us? Does this guy have enough smarts to create a bidding frenzy for Anthony and then to bring back the best package possible for him?

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:If we acquire Evans and got him back to where he was his rookie year in Sacramento, he'd be well worth the money -- we're not talking a $20mm player here; we're talking half that basically. Another thing to like -- the contract he signed with the Pelicans is front-loaded. Here's how Evans' salary lays out this year and over the next 3 seasons:

$11,796,247
$11,265,416
$10,734,586
$10,203,755

Front-loaded contracts are fairly rare but much more attractive to take on...If we could grab this guy and get him back up to his rookie year production-wise (absolutely possible -- all he needs to do is get back up over 37 mins and 16+ shot attempts per -- the production would then follow), that salary suddenly would look very manageable. The rookie version of Tyreke Evans would definitely be worth that type of money (even the Evans in some of his subsequent seasons). Not to mention he'd be extremely easy to move if we ever chose to trade him.

There's a lot of "ifs" involved with Evans. It's been 5 seasons and 2 teams since Evans' rookie season and he hasn't bested it. What makes you think that the most dysfunctional team in the league and easily the most volatile media market will help him turn things around?

If we got this guy and gave him the same carte blanche freelance freedom we give JR Smith, we'd have much better results.. Everything compared to JR Smith is better -- much better handle, playmaking skills and an infinitely better driver/finisher at the rim. Just a much better/more complete basketball player than JR Smith by comparison. Using JR Smith because he was our major freelance player last year (and still this year to a degree) besides Melo. Evans could be a much more efficient/much higher % player than JR Smith in that same role (2nd banana). Here's a guard who shot close to 48% his last year in Sacramento, a place where he was excelling at the end and really getting comfortable. He's a guy who carved us up like a turkey on Thanksgiving for 25 pts. the last time the Pelicans were in town w/o taking 1 jumpshot. Not one...He can flat out do things a low IQ chucker like Smith can only dream of. One of those things is make others around him better... Oh yeah, a good 4-5 yrs younger than Smith. He'd be a guy we'd all look forward to seeing every game; unlike Smith, who's a guy we all regret handing out a contract extension to and can't wait to get rid of..How's that for starters?

VCoug wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i remember this thread.. sure could have used tyreke with the way he's been playing lately...

Definitely. I don't see how we couldn't use 10 pts, 5 assists, 4 rebounds while shooting 36% from the field, 16% from 3, and 48%(!!!) from the free throw line during February. We totally should have gotten him, that way Felton might look better in comparison.

Oh! And we'd get to pay him $10M/$11M per year through 2016/17!

nyk4ever wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:i remember this thread.. sure could have used tyreke with the way he's been playing lately...

Definitely. I don't see how we couldn't use 10 pts, 5 assists, 4 rebounds while shooting 36% from the field, 16% from 3, and 48%(!!!) from the free throw line during February. We totally should have gotten him, that way Felton might look better in comparison.

if that's your take on him, congratulations for lacking any depth to your analsysis.

How much more in depth do you want? The season as a whole his numbers are 12ppg, 4.5 reb and assists, 42% from 2, 20% from 3, 77% from FT. For his career: 16ppg, 5 reb and assists, 47% from 2, 26% from 3, and 75% from FT. Do you prefer advanced stats? Probably not but I'll give them anyway:

             TS%     eFG%     ORtg     DRtg     WS/48     
2013/14     47.6%   41.5%     100      109      0.055
Career      51.4%   46.1%     104      110      0.073

Here's a link to his shot charts on NBA.com. For those you don't want to check his shot chart this year is almost all red. That's bad. That means he shoots below average from every single area on the floor.

And again, he's getting paid $10M+ per year for another three years after this one. He's a shoot first PG that can't shoot, he's terrible defensively, and he's never been on a good team. While he might marginally improve this team, that's not saying much when we're talking about Raymond "Worst PG in the NBA" Felton. At best, we're fighting for the 7/8 seed and the right to get hammered by Miami or Indy in the 1st round. Again. He also completely ****s up our cap space after next season.

But yeah, he had 3 pretty good games in a row.

I look forward to your well-reasoned, in depth response