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Why are fans so infatuated with draft picks for the NY KNICKS ?
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playa2
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1/20/2014  10:13 PM
StarksEwing1 wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody is denying taking draft choices and developing them isn't a good route, what I am saying is it won't happen under Dolan watch so just stop it !

We are only going for proven vets, so what we should hope for is that we get guys who can still play the game the right way and launch us into a 1999 scenario.

This is James Dolans team, not fans on the Ultimateknicks site SMH, because some of you still don't get it.

True it is James Dolan's team...however the past 14 years have been a embarassment which shows how bad he is at going the "veteran route"

Do you remember the owner of the Clippers Mr Sterling, all he did was go for the young rookies for years and grabbed all the money he could. Those teams just became a farm system for other teams in the association looking for young talent.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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1/20/2014  10:17 PM
playa2 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody is denying taking draft choices and developing them isn't a good route, what I am saying is it won't happen under Dolan watch so just stop it !

We are only going for proven vets, so what we should hope for is that we get guys who can still play the game the right way and launch us into a 1999 scenario.

This is James Dolans team, not fans on the Ultimateknicks site SMH, because some of you still don't get it.

True it is James Dolan's team...however the past 14 years have been a embarassment which shows how bad he is at going the "veteran route"

Do you remember the owner of the Clippers Mr Sterling, all he did was go for the young rookies for years and grabbed all the money he could. Those teams just became a farm system for other teams in the association looking for young talent.

Ok playa you hate draft picks thats fine. But can you honestly say teh Knicks are any better with the overpaid players we have gotten the past 14 years. We have been pretty much a joke since 2000. yes we 1 50 win season but most of teh time we have sucked
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1/20/2014  10:56 PM
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meloanyk wrote:
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Nalod wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:All facets of building a team are important--it seems as if the Knicks have rejected for the most part this angle. But the real success the team has had in its history is based on drafting Willis Reed Clyde Frazier Patrick Ewing etc.. our championships were based on drafting the core players and our run to the finals was all based around Patrick Ewing that whole run. We dont have a drafted Bill Cartwright to trade for Charles Oakley--we only trade the pick. We have a smaller avenue for improvement and 0 chance to get a Paul George type because if you dont have the pick--you have no chance on finding players like that.

Please take a look at the Pacers core

Roy Hibbert #17
Paul George #10
Lance Stephenson#40 and we had the two picks before them!

A 10-a 17 and a 40 has built them the best team in the league.(we couldve done that??) Look at Portland --there is so much overwhelming evidence that it doesnt need to be argued or debated. We essentially do not put enough into what is the most important process of building a team.



Good post. Im sure if we look hard we can see indy wiffed as well, but its not the misses that count, its the ones you get. Nalod long says you increase your odds with more "at bats". INdy also traded what was the 8th pick that became Kwai Leonard for George hill. Hill is solid, and while Kwai might have the upside this was a win-win for both teams in trade.

Fact is Stephanson was developed and on a balanced good team he blends in well. we do that? Nope. Hibbert did not set the world on fire for a few years. See the pattern?

Portland core is drafted. Batum was developed, Lilliard and Aldridge drafted and who was the missing piece? RoPez!!! Robin freaking Lopez!!! OKC? Draft and patience. Spurs? Built around duncan but managed his minutes and got him pieces to play with. Guys like Splitter are not great but important. We had one, his name was Mozgov. He should have been developed, maybe not a star but a quality cog.

Little moves add up and when you do that you don't have to bank on enabling bad seeds like JR smith.

Good post nalod.. I agree..

Sure, Let's go the draft pick route. Im sure there will be a Duncan or James sitting right there for us to pick.

That is as myopic a comment as I heard. The Pacers, Grizzlies, Spurs and Blazers largely built themselves into contenders with middling picks. Clearly you don't necessarily need a LeBron or Duncan to acquire major cogs for a team. I'm not sure how many other ways that point needs to be said or made.

Fair but just because Dolan's an idiot, it doesn't mean that we should co-sign his stupidity. The right way to go is to get more draft picks, plain and simple.

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1/21/2014  6:27 AM
We've been starpucking for most of this century and you've seen the results. Why are some fans so infatuated with staying the course?
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1/21/2014  8:10 AM
Knicks do a great job of de leveraging the picks so they return as little as possible. When we do get talent we don't grow them as assets, we trade thier potential. Landry was no star, but he was a good player. Mozzy could be a guy like Splitter is for Spurs. Good player who can fill the need and go for 10-10 on most nights.

We all know the gig, Melo walks its an epic failure. When you undervalue picks and prospects for the lure of a big name such as Melo you reduce the changes of it succeeding. Why? because the roster is depleted. We could not sustain a talented base in which to enhance Melo and LEVERAGE what he does.

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1/21/2014  8:23 AM
playa2 wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
playa2 wrote:Nobody is denying taking draft choices and developing them isn't a good route, what I am saying is it won't happen under Dolan watch so just stop it !

We are only going for proven vets, so what we should hope for is that we get guys who can still play the game the right way and launch us into a 1999 scenario.

This is James Dolans team, not fans on the Ultimateknicks site SMH, because some of you still don't get it.

True it is James Dolan's team...however the past 14 years have been a embarassment which shows how bad he is at going the "veteran route"

Do you remember the owner of the Clippers Mr Sterling, all he did was go for the young rookies for years and grabbed all the money he could. Those teams just became a farm system for other teams in the association looking for young talent.

YOu could not be further from the truth. Most of the talent he let go was not worthy of resigning. Look at most of the picks and determine if they were worth resigning to long term? They drafted bad, or made awful trades, or got unlucky with injuries!

Here is a sample from an old article:

Los Angeles Clippers - The Clippers gave former general manager Elgin Baylor handfuls of opportunities to get it right in the first round during the draft lottery era, and he flopped almost every time.

In 1985, Benoit Benjamin was drafted 3rd overall (807 Games, 11.4 PPG, 7.5 RPG, 2.0 BPG, 1.3 APG),
Reggie Williams was drafted 4th overall in 1987 (599 Games, 12.5 PPG, 4.0 RPG, 2.5 APG, 1.3 SPG),
Charles Smith was drafted 3rd Overall in 1988 (564 Games, 14.4 PPG, 5.8 RPG, 1.4 APG, 1.4 BPG),
Bo Kimble was taken 8th overall in the 1990 NBA Draft (105 Games, 5.5 PPG, 1.5 RPG), LeRon Ellis was taken 22nd Overall in 1991 (91 Games, 3.0 PPG, 2.4 RPG),

Randy Woods was taken 16th in 1992 (151 Games, 2.4 PPG, 1.7 APG),
Terry Dehere was taken 13th in 1993 NBA Draft (402 Games, 8.0 PPG, 2.6 APG, 1.5 RPG), Lamond Murray was taken 7th in 1994 (736 Games, 11.3 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 1.3 APG),
Lorenzen Wright was taken 7th overall in the famed 1996 NBA Draft (778 Games, 8.0 PPG, 6.4 RPG),
Maurice Taylor was taken 14th in 1997 (534 Games, 11.0 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 1.2 APG), Darius Miles was taken 3rd overall in 2000 (446 Games, 10.1 PPG, 4.9 RPG, 1.9 APG, 1.1 BPG),
Melvin Ely 12th overall in 2002 (343 Games, 5.6 PPG, 3.3 RPG),
Chris Kaman 6th overall in 2003 (385 Games, 10.4 PPG, 8.3 RPG, 1.4 BPG, 1.2 APG),
Shaun Livingston 4th overall in 2004 (157 Games, 7.3 PPG, 4.6 APG, 3.1 RPG), and Yaroslav Korolev was taken 12th in 2005 and hasn't played a minute in the NBA.

There are a few solid names and numbers, but year after year of opportunities to draft an above average player and the Clippers flopped all of them. In fact, the most respectable players drafted by the Clippers in the draft lottery era are Lamar Odom (1999), Tyson Chandler (2001) and Antonio McDyess (1995). Chandler and McDyess both had their rights traded to other squads before ever suiting up for the Clippers, and Odom didn't make it past four years with the Clippers. One glaringly bad selection is being saved for later in this countdown. God save Blake Griffin.

Danny Ferry, F, Los Angeles Clippers Drafted 2nd Overall in 1989 NBA Draft out of Duke University (917 Games, 7.0 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 1.3 APG) - Taken by the ill fated Clippers, Ferry refused to report to Los Angeles and after playing a year in Italy to protest, he was traded to the Cleveland Cavaliers and given a very lucrative ten year guaranteed contract by Cleveland. The guy he was traded for? Ron Harper. A tremendous colliegate player with size and a shooting touch, Ferry was supposed to be a great player but hardly produced in Cleveland. He did, however, win a championship on the end of the bench for the 2003 San Antonio Spurs.

Michael Olowoakandi, C, Los Angeles Clippers drafted 1st Overall in 1998 NBA Draft out of University of Pacific (500 Games, 8.3 PPG, 6.8 RPG, 1.4 BPG) - So big a bust that he deserves a slot all his own, seperated from the Clippers, Olowokandi is the worst of all of the draft blunders made by the doomed Los Angeles franchise. After only one solid season for the Pacific Tigers, Olowokandi was drafted to be the man in the middle of the future for the Clippers and rewarded them with mediocre production. He showed flashes of being a solid player, but once he signed to play for the Minnesota Timberwolves, Olowokandi hardly got off of the bench. Suffering through injuries his entire career, Olowokandi was drafted first overall in a draft that produced six different NBA All Stars in Mike Bibby, Vince Carter, Antawn Jamison, Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce and Rashard Lewis.


So as you can see, many busts and bad trades add up. Sterling once he paid off his debts to own the team spent money. He told everyone this and now has a proper front office, coach and players. They made money and he was upfront about it. Don't get me wrong, Sterling is a scumbag.

Why are fans so infatuated with draft picks for the NY KNICKS ?

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