Bonn1997 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

OldFan wrote:

Erniecat wrote:

Dagger wrote:Carmelo Anthony is a much, much, much better rebounder than Tyson Chandler, now that's really, really, really sad

^ This

Look I realize this is a bash chandler thread but this is just false. Chandler is and has always been a better rebounder then Melo.
Chandler 26.8/7.5reb = a rebound every 3.57 min or 13.5 per 48 min
Melo 39.1/8.7 - A rebound every 4.47 min or 10.6 per 48 min

And this is with Melo having his best rebounding year ever and chandler in a down year. Chandlers career avg is 15 rebounds per 48 min.

Per48 stats don't matter, no one plays that many minutes, certainly not Chandler. And I'm sure everyone already knew Chandler has a higher career rebounding average. Melo has better instincts rebounding the ball, Chandler is bigger and only stays under the basket so he gets more, happy?

No, he posted this year's #s. You could cut them in half or use any other fraction if you don't like per 48. Chandler still rebounds at a higher rate.

I know he does, my post was hyperbole. I know per 48 stats are just a multiple of a player's average stats, but per 48 is rubbish, because no one plays that much. When I said per 48 minutes stats don't matter I was referring to his last sentence in which he said Chandler's per 48 career avg in rebounds is 15, like I'm supposed to be impressed. Okay 15*(28 min/48 min), the amount he actually plays, is a lot less impressive. Per 36 stats have use because they tell you what a guy's output might be when compared to starters, who usually play a little less than 36 minutes a night. Per48 has no use really in my opinion.

Chandler rebounds at a higher rate, that's not arguable, that's fact. But what I'm saying is Melo has better rebounding instincts, reads the ball better, and actually secures rebounds better than Chandler, famous for his "tip outs" that May or may not go to a player on the other team. Chandler has a size and position advantage when rebounding so he's going to have more, but I think Melo is a much better rebounder for his position than Chandler is for his. I see Melo as a SF, however I know you seem him as a PF when analyzing his rebounding stats. Regardless, his stats this year are still impressive.

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The Nba Player tracking data is not that kind to Chandler either but he hasn't been healthy that much and that is just one type of measurement.

GP
15

MIN per game
26.6

REB per game
7.5

Percentage of rebounds per chance
64.0%

REB Chances per game
11.7

Total REB
112

Contested REB per game
2.5

Uncontested REB per game
5.0

Contested REB Percentage
33.0%

For comparison AB:

GP
39

MIN per game
30.2

REB per game
5.4

Percentage of rebounds per chance
64.0%

REB Chances per game
8.4

Total REB
210

Contested REB per game
2.0

Uncontested REB per game
3.4

Contested REB Percentage
37.6%

Now the real key is Reb chances a game which could be thrown off because Bargs does not get into position(usually out of position) to get a rebound.

However, looking at bigs(4/5) that play over 20 minutes Chandler ranks 16 or 17 in percentage of rebounds per chance.

I'm not sure how useful the rebounds per chance figure is. Like you hinted at, it doesn't reward you for putting yourself in position to get the rebound.
Regardless, I think everyone would acknowledge that this has been a bad year for Tyson.

Well, I think it rewards you but I don't think it punishes you for being out of position. Thinking about it more it's a pretty good measurement when looking at both rebound chances per game and % of reb chances. The reb chances per shows how well a player put himslef in position to grab a board.

I also like to look at the contested rebounds % because some players(reggie Evans) are given rebs by there teams.

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, I find it odd that someone with "no offense" who makes it "4 on 5" can somehow get 13 points in 26 minutes. How does that happen?

Chandler's 13 points is the rarity, not the norm. Too many times his rebounds are tapouts, not successful, controlled rebounds. His offense is limited, to say the least. Not shot attempts after a rebound, not strong moves to the rims. His offensive skills are lacking.

Sangfroid wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Yeah, I find it odd that someone with "no offense" who makes it "4 on 5" can somehow get 13 points in 26 minutes. How does that happen?

Chandler's 13 points is the rarity, not the norm. Too many times his rebounds are tapouts, not successful, controlled rebounds. His offense is limited, to say the least. Not shot attempts after a rebound, not strong moves to the rims. His offensive skills are lacking.

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:The Nba Player tracking data is not that kind to Chandler either but he hasn't been healthy that much and that is just one type of measurement.

GP
15

MIN per game
26.6

REB per game
7.5

Percentage of rebounds per chance
64.0%

REB Chances per game
11.7

Total REB
112

Contested REB per game
2.5

Uncontested REB per game
5.0

Contested REB Percentage
33.0%

For comparison AB:

GP
39

MIN per game
30.2

REB per game
5.4

Percentage of rebounds per chance
64.0%

REB Chances per game
8.4

Total REB
210

Contested REB per game
2.0

Uncontested REB per game
3.4

Contested REB Percentage
37.6%

Now the real key is Reb chances a game which could be thrown off because Bargs does not get into position(usually out of position) to get a rebound.

However, looking at bigs(4/5) that play over 20 minutes Chandler ranks 16 or 17 in percentage of rebounds per chance.

I'm not sure how useful the rebounds per chance figure is. Like you hinted at, it doesn't reward you for putting yourself in position to get the rebound.
Regardless, I think everyone would acknowledge that this has been a bad year for Tyson.

Well, I think it rewards you but I don't think it punishes you for being out of position. Thinking about it more it's a pretty good measurement when looking at both rebound chances per game and % of reb chances. The reb chances per shows how well a player put himslef in position to grab a board.

I also like to look at the contested rebounds % because some players(reggie Evans) are given rebs by there teams.

fitzfarm wrote:Really so when was the last time he played lights out on defense I've watched every game since Tyson has been here yes he was a very good defender 2 years ago.. if you actually look at the numbers Tyson makes our defense worse mid last year and this year ...I want to see the numbers that You have otherwise show me proof to prove me wrong for the last two years.. Since he's been back we are letting teams score at will before he came back . 85 points per on the win streak with brags as our starting center. 14 mil for a injury prone over 30 center with no offensive moves and a turnover machine when he dose try to make a basketball move. he's got miles been playing in the nba since 18.. He'll be fighting injuries for the rest of his career.. 7 and 7 is where he'll be now and it will be lower and lower as the years go by. He's a back up at best from last year to the foreseeable future... There won't be sunshine and rainbows in Tyson's future ... Show me proof Tyson is better then 7 & 7 at this point in his career.

fitzfarm wrote:In the 14 games he played this year only 3 times he has held his opponent to under 10 points a lot of 15 to 25 against chandler including 35 from fat al Jefferson.

fitzfarm wrote:What do you mean al Jefferson torched him and made chandler look bad . chandler played him for most of the game..do you watch the games? cause I have them all recorded and I'm watching the bobcats game right now and chandler is on al Jefferson for the majority of his min with brags on mcroberts.