Dagger wrote:dk7th wrote:fishmike wrote:tkf wrote:we are 13-22, beating the heat doesn't make this roster good... we are 13-22.. The nets have beat some quality teams of late and I still think that team is a mess right now.. no difference with this team that has a worse record than them...
so when we are 13-22 you are what the record says you are. But if we win 54 games its lucky circumstances and a one-off. OK.. got it. You are truly consistent with your drivel
not quite... that is a parcell's quote and i agree with that when it comes to football, which, at 16 games per season, makes it difficult to hide the true nature of a team. yes sometimes teams get hot at the right time, but they are not playing 82 games.
secondly, the nfl has 32 teams but how many teams make the playoffs? 12 teams only, or 37.5% of the teams. not only that but it is one and out, not a 7-game series. so upsets are more likely in the nfl.
nba with 30 teams meanwhile rewards mediocrity by allowing 16 teams or over 50% of all teams into the playoffs.
translation: a regular-season nba team is not necessarily going to be predictive of playoff performance, therefore it becomes a question of looking at the team and using advanced metrics to see how good the team actually is. for instance, the spurs may not be as good as their record indicates, although i would never bet against popovich and his great group of fundamentally solid players.
last season i kept saying that the knicks do not look like a conference finalist, although in spots they looked like a pretty good if not genuine second round performer.
54 regular-season wins? <meh>
second round annihilation is a better measure of how good the knicks were.
For someone that claims to look at numbers it seems basic statistical principles confuse you. The NBA has an 82 game season, the NFL has a 16 game season; so how can you be so clueless to say that an NFL record, with its grand total of 16 games serves as a superior barometer to the 82 game record of an NBA club. The NBA sample size is more than 5x as large!!! There are many more games for a team to truly prove where it stands in comparison to the rest of the league, a far slimmer margin of error in terms of representative accuracy. I mean do you understand anything about sample sizes at all? I'd say I'm shaking my head but that would be an understatement.
Your next point is even more ridiculous, you say the NFL Playoffs are one and done and you yourself acknowledge that many more upsets occur in the NFL postseason as a result of this, but then say that an NFL team's record is therefore more indicative of how a team will fare in the playoffs. I mean seriously, in a one-and-done how can any team's record be a better predictor of success than a seven game series, in which the better team almost always will win. In one game anything can happen, have you not seen an inferior team beat a far better opponent in one game in both the NBA and NFL playoffs? It happens all the fcking time. Have you never heard the phrase "on any given Sunday"? In a seven game series, the NBA team that has shown better success over the course of the longer season will very likely dominate over a team that gets lucky and wins one game in the series, as a longer series leaves less to randomness and chance. I mean how could you possibly post something so uninformed.
I've read your posts, I'm sure you're not a dumbass, you've raised good points before. I know I'm being somewhat nasty here, but I just honestly cannot believe you posted that. Wow. Come on man, you can do better than write nonsense like that to try to justify your pessimism.
Each team is much more meaningful in the NFL and they get a whole week to prepare for their opponent
Unlike the NBA, the NFL needs EVERY player to perform and work as a team, there is only 1 BALL and there are responsibilities for each player on the field
DK says a lot of things that many posters don't like, he attacks the lack of IQ of JR, Melo, and Felton (as a starting PG which he is not, he can be at times, but simply isn't consistent and talented enough)
For the most part it comes out in a negative vibe and many posters go back and forth attacking him
But many posters here also seem to constantly defend Melo and ignore his flaws/inabilities and SELFISH/ME ME ME attitude
Most in here are big KNICK fans but that does not mean we MUST agree with the franchise moves, agree with the contracts in trades or salary, we all have our own brains and eyes, to go with out own opinions, views, and expectations of the team
When we traded for Carmelo Anthony, we saved Denver over 50 million in salary/taxes, which is a lot of money that we as a team did not get compensated for with the assets we sent out
Despite having "leverage" we failed to execute it
Bulls traded 3 picks because of future salaries, while yes it was overpaid for Bynum and Deng but they are looking to develop Tony Snell and Jimmy Butler at G/F position in addition to the acquisition of Dunleavy
They likely will get rid of Boozer's contract and will sign another player instead with much salary available for their future, as they continue to allow Rose to recover
We held no value in saving Denver 50m in taxes/salary, a reason why we over paid for the trade for CA, it wasn't just about draft picks, or players that we have been unable to replace at the G/F, SF/PF position in Wilson Chandler, and Gallo, in addition to a backup C in MosGov
Felton was traded for a 1st round pick and Andre Miller, so in a sense we did give them an extra 1st rounder as well
Well how many 1st round picks is 50m worth is the question? Because Bulls just traded 3 for nothing close to that for an expiring(Deng) for an expiring (Bynum)
For the most part, DK is unfortunately correct, it may be hard to swallow for some posters here but we have NEVER showed we were even LEGIT Eastern Conference
I don't mind losing but we did not play the "RIGHT" with the right lineups and Woodson puts in the same players when they show they were unable to contend with our match ups
The hardest pill to swallow was when Copeland played so well vs The Pacer's at Center, as Vogel had even said it is tough for Hibbert and the Pacer's to defend 5 3pt shooters as we blew them out in the regular season
ISO ball should be limited, used the shot clock is running out, and when we have a match up that favors us
However, as Paul George as one of the elite defenders in the entire league, and with Hibbert patrolling the paint, Woodson never made any adjustments
Instead opting for Melo to continue to go 1v1 while we were unable to get in the paint, consistently shooting mainly 1v1 jumpers when the opponents DEF all have DEF position to grab the REBOUNDS and are ready to start their fast break
As soon as Melo touches the ball, the Pacer's anticipated the miss, and took advantage of our weakness's, utilizing own inabilities to DEFEND the Pacer's for wide open shots, as we continued to play HELP DEF, while we were unable to anticipate how they would score
Anyone that thinks that we did not waste our MINI MLE for 2 years straight when we needed to acquire talent to compete those years, and for our future, (as part of a rebuilding process as we overpaid for the trade for Melo are BLIND)
Pablo and MWP are not needed but we used our mini MLE on them, as we could have signed veteran minimums for both players, in fact we could have signed players in the D League to replace their production with
Pablo Replacements, I don't mind him for a vet min but not worth using any of our MLE==========================
(Kendall Marshall/Bobby Brown)
Had we only signed Toure Murry, a PG like Darren Collison/Aaron Brooks would likely consider singing for the vet min to audition in NY for their future contract with only Felton to beat out to win the starting job, and knowing Woodson uses 2 PG's with JR Smith also out
MWP replacements, he is done, while we might need to keep his contract as
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James Johnson, Malcolm Thomas, Stephen Jackson, Hakeem Warrick, and now ex Knick Shawne Williams as well (now)
We don't have true SF's on our roster, we use SG's as SF's and Melo is a SF/PF (that defend many PF's better than SF's)
Having an athletic BIG SF/PF like James Johnson and or some of the F's above, would have a multiple effect
Murry
Iman
James Johnson (rebounds, steals, blocks's and good DEF with his combination of length/size/ athleticism)
Melo
Center Chandler, Kmart, AB, STAT
Imagine had we used the vet mins correctly and MINI MLE correctly, saved 1 2nd round from Toronto (our own) to use for Pierre Jackson or Tony Wroten we would be in a much better position than we are currently in
Yes, had we kept Lin, instead of giving Novak and trading for Camby, (2 2nd rounders), signing Kidd (instead maybe Bayless instead), I think we would be much better than we currently are too
Having Felton did not mean we also could not have had Lin either
Maybe Lin took some opportunities from Melo but other players were able to play off his penetration, as he could have been LEADER for the 2nd unit, as a scorer
