fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:Righting The Ship

holfresh - if you are the general manager for 30 minutes, do you keep Melo or start working the cel phone to gauge interest?

The problem with Knick fans is they want change for the sake of change

No, we want changes that can help us eventually compete for a championship, something that we're clearly nowhere near capable of doing with the current roster

...With these changes ushers in no foundation,

I don't know what this means

constant uncertainty,

So? I'm certain that we suck right now and, if we don't make wholesale changes, I'm certain we'll suck 5 years from now as well. I'd rather be uncertain about sucking 5 years from now instead.

zero direction,

Completely incorrect. The direction is that we'll tank in 2015 for a high lottery pick and rebuild around him and whatever highend free agent is willing to sign here in the Summer of 2015 or 2016. We then use the other draft picks we've stockpiled during this firesale and continuously bring in new, cheap talent to improve our team.

the very thing they complain about

I'm pretty sure the thing we complain about is that we're a terrible basketball team with no plan to improve

...Put a guy in charge who knows what is is to be in NY, like say Alan Houston, who has a foundation with the team and ain't going anywhere..Let him fail, change course and regroup, learn on the job..Hire a coach like Mark Jackson who knows what it is to play in NY(we love defense) and can be a leader of men( that was my argument for Jackson when Donnie was deciding between MDA, Jackson and whoever)

How about we put someone in charge who can properly evaluate talent and understands how to work the salary cap to our advantage? I'd rather they learn how to deal with NY media on the job instead of learning how to be a good GM

..Melo is a keeper..He has the thick skin to thrive in NY, not many people do...He took the blame for MDA leaving and went out on a tear...Many players will wilt in these bright lights, see Shump...Shin-Soo Choo turned down 140 mil from the Yanks and took 130 from the Rangers..Here ain't for everyone...Keep the ones who can handle it...

Let's assume that Melo is in fact "a keeper". At what price? He'll be 30 years old at the end of this season and if we give him a max he'll using up nearly half of the salary cap until he's 35.

Find a damn PG who can bring tempo to the offense and play a little D...Beno need not apply or Prigs for that matter...I really don't think it's that deep..

Again, how are we getting a good PG when we basically won't be able to sign any free agents?

OKC looked at lot like the Knicks when Westbrook went down...Durant looked at lot like Melo when Westbrook wasn't there

No, he didn't. Here is what Durant did in those playoffs and here is what Melo did. Notice that Durant scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, and shoots better from the field.

..Get Melo some help...Get rid of Amare's contract, sign a player who can take the pressure of Melo logging 40+minutes a game and three guys hanging on his shirt during a turnaround jumper...That won't happen until 2015...No need to throw out the baby with the bath water...

How are we getting Melo help with no draft picks and little cap space? And how does getting rid of Amare's contract next season help when we'd still be over the cap?

Am I crazy to say last two years is the best basketball Melo has played in his career??...U can't ask him to do more than he has done this season, even on the defensive end, can u??...I guess he can still pass more...So the answer is to trade a dollar for 4 quarters and hope one of the quarters become a dollar??..Doesn't make sense to me but it might to many...Change..

When I post or think about the Knick situation, I try to be honest with myself and address the Knicks issues with a tinge reality in mind...First off, the Knicks are not going to tank from now, going into the 2015/16 season...It won't happen...We won't get the best GM either, say the dude that run the Spurs, ain't happening...The reason the Knicks are floundering right now is Amare and his contract, you and others can ignore it but it's reality...As stated many times, we won't improve and compete until that is off the books...Trading Melo does nothing to rectify that situation...We can all keep our heads in the sand but it doesn't change anything...

Out GM has done a poor job the last two years with regards to the PG situation...I suggested this past off season we go after a CJ Watson type player who would be a vast improvement over what we currently have on the bench and given our restrictive salary structure...Watson can create more tempo and pace than what we currently have...

With regards to OKC, Durant, Knicks, Melo...OKC got bumped in the second round losing 4-1 to Memphis last year...We lost 4-2 to Indy, a better team than Memphis...Durant was putting up 23-30 shots per game...Reminds u of anything u saw last year without another star taking the pressure off the main guy???...

So your plan is to tank until 2015/16 and build around that pick..Who is he and what is his name?? how do u know he won't be garbage???...Dolan will never tank or rebuild, fact of life, fact when u begin to evaluate the Knicks...We can sit here and pretend all our problems revolve around Melo, that the previous GM and Coach was the greatest and didn't make a colossal blunder in signing Amare...Linsanity was here to save us all and Melo was the guy that blew out that flame...Again, a tinge of reality when addressing the Knicks problems..Prediction, if Felton is 100%, the Knicks will play better..Beno and Prigs are slow and don't play with pace...The lethargic Knicks need a PG that plays with pace...

often wrong but never in doubt

Maybe one day u can get the nuts to post something of substance and not these amateur/immature one liners...

no nuts at all.. put em on ignore because every post is the same. I have raked you over the coals for players and coaches you have stuck behind holfresh but I 100% respect your posting as fan and what you have to say because it comes from the heart. These donkees do nothing but fill the forum up with the same redundant crap day in and day out without an ounce of wit or humor or anything else that would make one want to keep reading. Nothing to read there... just move along

no nuts at all.. put em on ignore because every post is the same. I have raked you over the coals for players and coaches you have stuck behind holfresh but I 100% respect your posting as fan and what you have to say because it comes from the heart. These donkees do nothing but fill the forum up with the same redundant crap day in and day out without an ounce of wit or humor or anything else that would make one want to keep reading. Nothing to read there... just move along

PresIke wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Melos play regresses in the playoffs vs real defenses

i call b.s. on this one, btw.

Check Melos career playoff numbers vs regular season. I believe Fishmike already highlighted this numerous times in the past. I can't right now

It's the holiday season and your bitter vibe act runs counter to celebrating your fellow man... Or poster. How bitter must you be to hurl insults two days before Christmas?

Go to the mall. Hug someone.

Sheesh

gunsnewing - the bothersome thing about this roster goes deeper than just the shortfall in complementary talent. The likability factor is as low as its been since the days of fugazy.

Mercenaries should charm reporters, be the guy you wanna have a beer with and make all the ladies in the house say "owwww."

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:Righting The Ship

holfresh - if you are the general manager for 30 minutes, do you keep Melo or start working the cel phone to gauge interest?

The problem with Knick fans is they want change for the sake of change

No, we want changes that can help us eventually compete for a championship, something that we're clearly nowhere near capable of doing with the current roster

...With these changes ushers in no foundation,

I don't know what this means

constant uncertainty,

So? I'm certain that we suck right now and, if we don't make wholesale changes, I'm certain we'll suck 5 years from now as well. I'd rather be uncertain about sucking 5 years from now instead.

zero direction,

Completely incorrect. The direction is that we'll tank in 2015 for a high lottery pick and rebuild around him and whatever highend free agent is willing to sign here in the Summer of 2015 or 2016. We then use the other draft picks we've stockpiled during this firesale and continuously bring in new, cheap talent to improve our team.

the very thing they complain about

I'm pretty sure the thing we complain about is that we're a terrible basketball team with no plan to improve

...Put a guy in charge who knows what is is to be in NY, like say Alan Houston, who has a foundation with the team and ain't going anywhere..Let him fail, change course and regroup, learn on the job..Hire a coach like Mark Jackson who knows what it is to play in NY(we love defense) and can be a leader of men( that was my argument for Jackson when Donnie was deciding between MDA, Jackson and whoever)

How about we put someone in charge who can properly evaluate talent and understands how to work the salary cap to our advantage? I'd rather they learn how to deal with NY media on the job instead of learning how to be a good GM

..Melo is a keeper..He has the thick skin to thrive in NY, not many people do...He took the blame for MDA leaving and went out on a tear...Many players will wilt in these bright lights, see Shump...Shin-Soo Choo turned down 140 mil from the Yanks and took 130 from the Rangers..Here ain't for everyone...Keep the ones who can handle it...

Let's assume that Melo is in fact "a keeper". At what price? He'll be 30 years old at the end of this season and if we give him a max he'll using up nearly half of the salary cap until he's 35.

Find a damn PG who can bring tempo to the offense and play a little D...Beno need not apply or Prigs for that matter...I really don't think it's that deep..

Again, how are we getting a good PG when we basically won't be able to sign any free agents?

OKC looked at lot like the Knicks when Westbrook went down...Durant looked at lot like Melo when Westbrook wasn't there

No, he didn't. Here is what Durant did in those playoffs and here is what Melo did. Notice that Durant scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, and shoots better from the field.

..Get Melo some help...Get rid of Amare's contract, sign a player who can take the pressure of Melo logging 40+minutes a game and three guys hanging on his shirt during a turnaround jumper...That won't happen until 2015...No need to throw out the baby with the bath water...

How are we getting Melo help with no draft picks and little cap space? And how does getting rid of Amare's contract next season help when we'd still be over the cap?

Am I crazy to say last two years is the best basketball Melo has played in his career??...U can't ask him to do more than he has done this season, even on the defensive end, can u??...I guess he can still pass more...So the answer is to trade a dollar for 4 quarters and hope one of the quarters become a dollar??..Doesn't make sense to me but it might to many...Change..

When I post or think about the Knick situation, I try to be honest with myself and address the Knicks issues with a tinge reality in mind...First off, the Knicks are not going to tank from now, going into the 2015/16 season...It won't happen...We won't get the best GM either, say the dude that run the Spurs, ain't happening...The reason the Knicks are floundering right now is Amare and his contract, you and others can ignore it but it's reality...As stated many times, we won't improve and compete until that is off the books...Trading Melo does nothing to rectify that situation...We can all keep our heads in the sand but it doesn't change anything...

Out GM has done a poor job the last two years with regards to the PG situation...I suggested this past off season we go after a CJ Watson type player who would be a vast improvement over what we currently have on the bench and given our restrictive salary structure...Watson can create more tempo and pace than what we currently have...

With regards to OKC, Durant, Knicks, Melo...OKC got bumped in the second round losing 4-1 to Memphis last year...We lost 4-2 to Indy, a better team than Memphis...Durant was putting up 23-30 shots per game...Reminds u of anything u saw last year without another star taking the pressure off the main guy???...

So your plan is to tank until 2015/16 and build around that pick..Who is he and what is his name?? how do u know he won't be garbage???...Dolan will never tank or rebuild, fact of life, fact when u begin to evaluate the Knicks...We can sit here and pretend all our problems revolve around Melo, that the previous GM and Coach was the greatest and didn't make a colossal blunder in signing Amare...Linsanity was here to save us all and Melo was the guy that blew out that flame...Again, a tinge of reality when addressing the Knicks problems..Prediction, if Felton is 100%, the Knicks will play better..Beno and Prigs are slow and don't play with pace...The lethargic Knicks need a PG that plays with pace...

often wrong but never in doubt

Maybe one day u can get the nuts to post something of substance and not these amateur/immature one liners...

there are plenty of posts that i asked you to respond to once i asked for proof of something i have allegedly said and all i got was <crickets>. why then should i bother trying to respond to your inane perspectives until you can back up your ridiculous accusations with some kind of evidence? you've got a lot of gall to make a post like this. maybe other posters don't bother keeping track but of course i can't not keep track.

your take on the last 3+ years is ridiculous. assigning blame in all the wrong places and on the wrong people, mistaking causes for effects, backing up your statements with idiotic ad hominem attacks against those who don't agree with you like head in the sand, pretend, not living in reality, and what not. that's not a reasoned argument that's rhetoric. such posts are sheer foolishness and frankly annoying because you try to pawn them off as dialogue.

Bro, you and I both knew you said it... Your exercise of asking me to find it was a game where u thought I couldn't find it..I knew exactly where it was all the time...I later posted it twice for your inspection..Again, you predicted the Knicks would come in from 3rd seed to 7th seed, yet you were outraged when they came in 2nd seed at the end of the season..You were upset and said they underachieved when they didn't get to the ECF..I was just looking for a person who was a man of their word and can man up when the time comes..Obviously I overestimated your integrity and conduct as a poster here...

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10/16/2012 11:58 PM

doesn't matter what the record is. it's the top 3 seeds that matter. are they a top 3 seed in the east?

new york is going to have to get a higher seeding than any of the top 3 seeds from last year--

Miami
Boston
Indiana

This is plausible but not likely.

Philadelphia
New Jersey
Chicago

Question marks as big the Knicks but no doubt in the running.

I don't see any other team that really matters here.

Conclusion is that the Knicks are anywhere between a 3rd and a 7th seed, 3rd if you're an outright optimist.

BRIGGS wrote:The post from holfrsh makes little sens because he gives no realistic model. He simply says lets hope to find a player in 2015 to play with melo.

Let me cross my fingers

Hey Holfresh what about the max contract we have to pay to JR Smith Ray Felton and Pablo combined in 2015

--oh and the 25 we have to pay Melo--and did you factor in 25 other teams will have more cap space than us. Why would a player want to come to a team that will have no frontcourt players under contract and essentially the same team that cant win now? So who is the mystery player and where is he coming from--what about Tyson C? Are you keeping him-- add 8mm to your cap at a minimum.

Ok yours. Give me your team and the cap.

Very true, I have no game plan..Im really hoping Melo takes 18-20 per then we could attract KLove in some manner...I saw KLove hamming it up with Spike last time he was here...I know he isnt happy in Minny based on comments from last year...But all said, Dolan isn't tanking...Melo is here now, We need another hammer to deal with the Heat, OKC and Indy...The rest need not be Felton, JR etc...I'm still hoping Shump comes around, but this year has been revealing about him in terms of his smarts...But you are right, I'm hoping....

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The post from holfrsh makes little sens because he gives no realistic model. He simply says lets hope to find a player in 2015 to play with melo.

Let me cross my fingers

Hey Holfresh what about the max contract we have to pay to JR Smith Ray Felton and Pablo combined in 2015

--oh and the 25 we have to pay Melo--and did you factor in 25 other teams will have more cap space than us. Why would a player want to come to a team that will have no frontcourt players under contract and essentially the same team that cant win now? So who is the mystery player and where is he coming from--what about Tyson C? Are you keeping him-- add 8mm to your cap at a minimum.

Ok yours. Give me your team and the cap.

Very true, I have no game plan..Im really hoping Melo takes 18-20 per then we could attract KLove in some manner...I saw KLove hamming it up with Spike last time he was here...I know he isnt happy in Minny based on comments from last year...But all said, Dolan isn't tanking...Melo is here now, We need another hammer to deal with the Heat, OKC and Indy...The rest need not be Felton, JR etc...I'm still hoping Shump comes around, but this year has been revealing about him in terms of his smarts...But you are right, I'm hoping....

Business should not be run on hope or Kevin Love hamming it up with Spike Lee. "The rest need not be Felton etc--My friend they have contracts"
Who is your C--your PG --this is confusing--you chastised a poster who may have worded his retort poorly--but I see what he was saying--your post has/had no substance--no plan. Id rather go with a cognizant logical plan --nothing personal.