SwishAndDish13 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh why do you guys keep talking this stuff? Melo ain't going nowhere. Why do you do this to yourself? Stop it please. Melo will be here for the next 6 years. Get over it. We will build around him. Melo aint the problem. Melo is carring this team on his back. I remember when everyone wanted Ewing gone. Look what happened. I guarantee if Melo goes we will go back to the dark ages again. We was never good in the drafts and we sell our young for cheap. Talk about Dolan going not Melo. I have to laugh at these Melo trade ideas. Please think of something more positive. Don't be surprised if Zeke comes back maybe work with the point guards.

I want you to look at what we've done this year. Melo had "carried" us to a 7-17 record, 4th worst in the league. The dark ages aren't coming back, they're here.

Papabear Says

No not yet. This team will come back. Have faith. When this team win 5 in a row you guys will have a change of heart. Stop crying I've seen worse.

None of us have seen much worse than this. We're on pace for 23 wins which would tie for the 4th worst finish in team history. 1960, 1962, and 1963 are the only years that we finished worse.

The on pace thing never makes a ton of sense (like when baseball players are on pace for 200 RBIs a quarter through the season). Baring an injury, given the remaining schedule 23 wins would be a real stretch without Melo getting hurt. That being said, they do have one of the worst backcourts anybody has ever seen so who knows.

Also- I don't think they played 82 games so on a percentage basis, this year might be one of the worst in franchise history.

franco12 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh why do you guys keep talking this stuff? Melo ain't going nowhere. Why do you do this to yourself? Stop it please. Melo will be here for the next 6 years. Get over it. We will build around him. Melo aint the problem. Melo is carring this team on his back. I remember when everyone wanted Ewing gone. Look what happened. I guarantee if Melo goes we will go back to the dark ages again. We was never good in the drafts and we sell our young for cheap. Talk about Dolan going not Melo. I have to laugh at these Melo trade ideas. Please think of something more positive. Don't be surprised if Zeke comes back maybe work with the point guards.

I want you to look at what we've done this year. Melo had "carried" us to a 7-17 record, 4th worst in the league. The dark ages aren't coming back, they're here.

Papabear Says

No not yet. This team will come back. Have faith. When this team win 5 in a row you guys will have a change of heart. Stop crying I've seen worse.

None of us have seen much worse than this. We're on pace for 23 wins which would tie for the 4th worst finish in team history. 1960, 1962, and 1963 are the only years that we finished worse.

The on pace thing never makes a ton of sense (like when baseball players are on pace for 200 RBIs a quarter through the season). Baring an injury, given the remaining schedule 23 wins would be a real stretch without Melo getting hurt. That being said, they do have one of the worst backcourts anybody has ever seen so who knows.

Also- I don't think they played 82 games so on a percentage basis, this year might be one of the worst in franchise history.

You know what, I totally didn't notice but you're right. We played 80, 79, and 80 games those years. But, even without playing 82 games those are still the 3 worst seasons in terms of winning % in Knicks history.

In all seriousness, I have no idea how that is a response. It was literally random insanity. Clearly you are focusing all your anger towards Melo. Let it all out brother...

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

tkf wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

Clips would do Melo for Griffin so fast it would make your head spin. They'd probably give us Griffin and a pick or 2 if we put it on the table. Griffin was awesome in that fixed dunk contest, but no chance they wouldn't do that. Paul would love it, so would Melo. Griffin would probably take his own like after a few months here in NY. We all saw how well he reacted to the fact that he brings literally nothing to the table when people are actually playing defense and a few people has the balls to call him out.

Honestly, there is no real response to this type of post.. LOL.

Aka - You can't come up with one. Griffin has a lot of potential. No denying that. Nobody is saying he is garbage but he is very limited offensively without Paul and an overrated defensive player. His lack of ability to play fundamental basketball in the half court has been the reason they went down the last 2 years. Enough with your irrational anti-Melo posts.

yea, I mean you just got me man... let me know when we trade for griffin and the clippers give us two unprotected picks and while they are at it, they shoud just throw in jordan for taking griffin back for the great carmelo.. I mean, why would the clippers not want this deal, they see how well carmelo is doing this year with the knicks, I mean 7-17, I know they are licking their chops to get melo to drive them to the lottery...

but I will leave you with this... before chris paul got to the clippers.. he averaged 22ppg now he averages 20ppg so you are right, he is very limited without chris paul... I mean are you done talking out of your anus?

and overrated defensive player? tell me, what is he rated?

listen no one is trading blake for a soon to be 30 year old, chucking fat ass who looked like a complete bafoon last night.. rofl..

i will leave you with this video for some comedic relief.. enjoy!!

http://nba.si.com/2013/12/16/bradley-beal-game-winner-wizards-knicks-carmelo-anthony/

Don't you mean a fat, coach-killing, self-aggrandizing, selfish, volume shooting, inefficient, jab stepping, shot chucking, ball stopping, greedy, low IQ loser? I'm disappointed in your effort TKF, a little frugal with the adjectives today.

I think you are missing a few, but not bad at all.. LOL

Vmart wrote:Where is Dolan where is Mills and Houston and the metrics group no one wants to answer for this BS that is going on.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

MS wrote:Not having our pick this year is an absolute killer.

I like the idea of getting multiple picks from the Suns and sending Melo to LA for a pick and then shipping Blake to the to Suns. Not a franchise talent so no reason to hold onto him.

Flip Tyson and for Jeremy Lamb and pick or something along those lines or if you want do the Gasol deal and clear the space so there are no contracts in 2015.

There is really very little this team can do. It's amazing how ****ing stupid this franchise is, that it allowed this to happen again.

We have been all saying Marbury all over again and some have called that prediction crazy. Here we are, the weakest conference in 10 years and we are not making it to the playoffs. You don't win with bloated salaries one dimensional me first players that don't have bball IQ's.

This is not even close to the same situation as Marbury, comparing Melo to him makes little to no sense. The Knicks mismanaged the Billups situation and it ruined any chance they had to build a winner. First off, why pick up the Billups option? Could have bought him out prior to the lockout then they would have maintained the amnesty and wouldn't have had this snowball effect. Amare got hurt in friggin warmups in the playoffs that year. It was absurd to think that he wouldn't be getting injured going-forward. On top of that the Chandler signing made no sense. He is injury prone and left us with no balance as the backcourt was awful. Damn selfish Melo and his poor player personnel decisions...

Well the decisions surrounding Marbury were just as bad too. And don't forget Houston was an all-star 20+ PPG player. We were supposed to have one of the top back-courts in the league but then Houston's health went downhill just like Amare's has.

Good point. Knicks have always been known for absurd contracts. Wilson Chandler was looking for us to give him some crazy money and the Knicks woulda gladly given it to him. Marbury had a complete implosion so that was far worse IMO. Melo had a great season last year, as did the Knicks. This year he has really done all the Knicks could ask but the team is terrible. Shump and JR are having horrendous seasons. Our PG play is a complete joke. There shouldn't be a need to help the PG every play down the floor on defense.

He definitely hasn't done all I could ask. I could certainly ask for good shot selection and regularly attempting to distribute the ball. He's barely top 200 in shooting percentage but #1 by far in shot attempts?!

Rookie wrote:Think I'm done sweating it, gonna just jump ship and become a Nuggets fan. I mean hell, with all our players and draft picks….they are like a better owned/managed version of us.

Umm, you apparently don't have to go anywhere now to jump ship. You can stay right here and post as a Nuggets fan.

tkf wrote:

Dagger wrote:

tkf wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

tkf wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

Clips would do Melo for Griffin so fast it would make your head spin. They'd probably give us Griffin and a pick or 2 if we put it on the table. Griffin was awesome in that fixed dunk contest, but no chance they wouldn't do that. Paul would love it, so would Melo. Griffin would probably take his own like after a few months here in NY. We all saw how well he reacted to the fact that he brings literally nothing to the table when people are actually playing defense and a few people has the balls to call him out.

Honestly, there is no real response to this type of post.. LOL.

Aka - You can't come up with one. Griffin has a lot of potential. No denying that. Nobody is saying he is garbage but he is very limited offensively without Paul and an overrated defensive player. His lack of ability to play fundamental basketball in the half court has been the reason they went down the last 2 years. Enough with your irrational anti-Melo posts.

yea, I mean you just got me man... let me know when we trade for griffin and the clippers give us two unprotected picks and while they are at it, they shoud just throw in jordan for taking griffin back for the great carmelo.. I mean, why would the clippers not want this deal, they see how well carmelo is doing this year with the knicks, I mean 7-17, I know they are licking their chops to get melo to drive them to the lottery...

but I will leave you with this... before chris paul got to the clippers.. he averaged 22ppg now he averages 20ppg so you are right, he is very limited without chris paul... I mean are you done talking out of your anus?

and overrated defensive player? tell me, what is he rated?

listen no one is trading blake for a soon to be 30 year old, chucking fat ass who looked like a complete bafoon last night.. rofl..

i will leave you with this video for some comedic relief.. enjoy!!

http://nba.si.com/2013/12/16/bradley-beal-game-winner-wizards-knicks-carmelo-anthony/

Don't you mean a fat, coach-killing, self-aggrandizing, selfish, volume shooting, inefficient, jab stepping, shot chucking, ball stopping, greedy, low IQ loser? I'm disappointed in your effort TKF, a little frugal with the adjectives today.

I think you are missing a few, but not bad at all.. LOL

Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards a cure.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:Tkf, At no point in your incoherent rant did you have anything that even resembled a rational thought. May God have mercy of your soul.

In all seriousness, I have no idea how that is a response. It was literally random insanity. Clearly you are focusing all your anger towards Melo. Let it all out brother...

incoherent to those who are living in the land of the delusional which it seems you are..

Nothing about my so called rant is incoherent. You completely understand, just say you don't agree.. be honest... at least do that.. and I don't expect you to, because you are not ready to accept reality...

NYKBocker wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:Tkf, At no point in your incoherent rant did you have anything that even resembled a rational thought. May God have mercy of your soul.

In all seriousness, I have no idea how that is a response. It was literally random insanity. Clearly you are focusing all your anger towards Melo. Let it all out brother...

Check out the tkf gamepicker. It says everything you need to know.

yea, I am, in first and I pretty much have a better handle on this team than most of you homers...

I am curious. How would you fix this mess?

I have stated this many times.. the problem now is that we have wasted so many assets that an even quicker fix is very hard.. no chandler, gallo, moz, picks, nothing..

what I would do is start off by moving chandler and JR smith for a deal that expires pronto.. like gasol.. I would try to get the lakers to throw us a protected pick, since they are in win now mode... that may be reaching tho..

Next.. Bye bye carmelo!! After that trade I am sure he opts out as he will see we are going into rebuilding mode... but he will want his money.. we know his greed, so agree to give him his ridiculous contract and trade him to a team of his choice, but it has to be a team that will give us a good package as well. .In other words force him to help us fleece another team like he helped denver fleece us.. we won't get pack the same package, no way no how.. and we are not getting blake griffin either..

so I am thinking more realistic.. but here is the problem, the teams with players and picks we may want are teams he won't want to go to... which is why letting him walk for nothing may happen, and again I am fine with that.... beats maxing him out or taking on other contracts... if he must go to the lakers, we have to find a way to expand the deal with chandler, get another team involved where we get a pick or two and a young player.. good luck with that as those deals are difficult..

next move.. play shumpert, THJ and oh lord(rolling my eyes) Toure murry next year... play them as much as you can.. see what they got, if they are keepers then we can move them for more assets as teams like good young players on the cheap, or keep them. it can be a win win.. if we suck, well we have our pick that year, thank god..

This would be a start, we would have a chance to evaluate our young players, benefit from the draft and we will have cap room which gives us options. You just don't know what other teams are willing to do, or maybe move a high potential player.. it gives us options.. i can't tell you trade this player for X player, it is silly, we have no clue who will be available.. so I won't go there.. but again.. OPTIONS.... DID ANYONE have a clue harden would ever be available?

This is not a sexy plan, but one that cleans house, gets us on track to try to build with a good foundation.. of course a new Gm and coach would have to be in place as well..