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Swishfm3
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12/15/2013  11:55 PM
How did this turn into another melo bashing thread??

oh wait...TkF showed up.

you all need to relax. The reality is, if you have been watching any College ball this year, you would see that Wiggins is not all that..Randle is not all that (at least not to that level the media hyping them to be).

With that being said...the College season is still very young and a lot can happen, but as of today...the next "Lebron"?...I dont think so.

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12/15/2013  11:57 PM
Dagger wrote:
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Many of the nba elite r in those 3 drafts. Aldridge and Durante are easily 1st team all nba thi s year

Aldridge...the ONLY impact player from that 2006 class (lets see what Rondo can do when he gets back). I dont even think 70% of those players are still in the league!

I do see your boy M.Williams sitting at 22. I wonder what he's doing.

Brandon Roy.....

I left him off because he was injured half the time and out of the league now, but ok, that's TWO out of THIRTY

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12/16/2013  8:16 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
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tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
RonRon wrote:
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tkf wrote:I find these types of threads hilarious and typical of those who not only don't have picks but root for teams that treat picks with little regard, and are willing to cosign any and all of their bad moves to get rid of picks..

It makes no sense at all to look at some of the bad to average players in the draft and then call picks overrated... really? LOL.. come on, this is just a bad attempt to short sell picks since the knicks have none...

give me the picks, I will take my shot at Aldridge, durant, roy, Deng, David lee, iggy, wade etc.....

you see what happens when you try to trade for some of these guys? you end up fleecing your own team to end up with a carmelo anthony.. good luck with that..

give me the picks, I will roll the dice with getting a lebron, wade, aldridge, etc.. and if I don't, at least I won't be stuck with a 30 year old, selfish, ball chucking, aging, guy making 30 mil a year, or some soft, one dimensional, mental disaster euro player....

And since we are talking about the talent here, give me a rudy gay or zach randolph tealent with a head on their shoulders, any day!!!

What's even more hilarious is how professional scouts view the players that everyone is tanking for. This is why so many teams have been in rebuild mode for so many years. How many years is it now for Sacramento, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Toronto, Minnesota, Washington etc?

No, what is more hilarious is how we are built to WIN NOW

and

All those teams that you were just laughing at, have more wins than us, and we have had advanced once in the playoffs since Melo has been here
And some people have said they would do the trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays

LMFAO

All those teams would have loved to win their division last season and win a playoff series. Most of them need that moderate success for their fan base and revenue. Yet they are still searching for answers and each year they look no closer. Sacrament wants to be a playoff team so bad they just traded for Gay. I bet they would love to win 54 games just once.

and they would have loved to trade a half a team 60m in cap relief, and what looks to be a top 3 pick, a top 2nd rounder, 2 more picks, of which could still be high in 2016, along with all the useless 2nd round picks we sent out that are looking quite good now, all for a player to leave before the credit card statement comes for the bill

You want to talk about how much he lead Cuse to a national title in one try, had a scoring title last year, scored multiple 30 pt games with over 30 attempts each game???

Hes coming home, coming home, tell the world, hes leaving

HOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


LOL. it is hilarous man, really. now we have no picks and fans are trying to downplay the picks... lets take a look at this.. how did carmelo anthony come into the NBA? wait he was drafted right.. and with what? a Pick... if the knicks love carmelo so much, hold onto your picks and then you can draft your own one dimensional chucker and save a lot of money and other assets in the process.. LOL

So the logic is to blow it up and trade Carmelo Anthony so we can draft our own new Carmelo Anthony? Ok got it lol.


NO THE plan is to acquire as many assets as you can, so we can build a much better team, and out of that hopefully we develop a player much better than carmelo..

similar to the way the pacers did with paul George....

got it?

I wonder if we would be lucky enough to do that, or end up like most other teams that are still trying to find that guy. Do you have faith that our front office will be lucky enough and skilled enough to find the next Paul George?

Wait a second if the excuse is that our front office is too incompetent to build through picks how do you have faith that they'll build through trades and Free agency smartly? Sorry but if they are too stupid to draft smartly etc then they'll probably build a cluster**** by doing it the other way too. Right? Or do idiots all of a sudden become competent when their building the way NY builds? Every time I hear the "well mngment will F up the draft" excuse I have to just smh. Think about it for a second.


No that is not the way I see it. I like to take advantage of what our management does well. Spend money and being in the ny market allow us an advantage in free agency and trade markets that many teams don't have. Some teams only attempt to build thru the draft because they know they don't have the funds or resources to acquire potential star players in other ways. Our management is better at that part of the business than building a team like every other small market team. Using the draft to find nice role players and spark plugs like Tim hardaway is great. But if you blow it up and start over just to build your team around the next Rudy Gay or less athletic Glenn Robinson, I'm not sure how it gets us any closer to a title. It is a high reward, but much higher risk system. And I know the argument is we have done a poor job building thru free agency and trade but just as much of it can be poor luck with injuries than anything else
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12/16/2013  8:23 AM
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RonRon wrote:Pacers
Miami
Portland
Spurs
OKC
Houston

All got to where they are today because they did not value draft picks?
You got to be kidding me, let me guess Felton is still better than Lin too in your book?
Much better defender, a pit bull, and makes way much less money, way more value than Lin too huh.....


How do Lin and Felton tie into this thread at all? Why bait?


The same way 54 wins last season has NOTHING to do with this season
And the way you rationalize NOT HAVING PICKS and how it is a failure for teams that do value draft picks on HOW TO BUILD A TEAM....
YOUR MOTTO IS HOW TO STAY A LOSER


I think you need to reread the original topic. It has nothing to do with justifying not having picks. It has everything to do with blowing up the team and put all your eggs in the draft to build around the next star or holding draft picks out of deals for proven young guys. I love finding guys like Tim hardaway jr in the draft. Every year guys slip that are great role players or better. I don't like that picks are overvalued where everyone thinks rebuilding thru the draft means automatic success in 3-5 years. That if we do it we WILL find the next Paul George, it's so easy. Draft picks are a great way to add young talent to fill holes cheaply, but you are far more likely to draft the next Rudy Gay than lebron or George with a top pick.
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12/16/2013  8:29 AM
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tkf wrote:I find these types of threads hilarious and typical of those who not only don't have picks but root for teams that treat picks with little regard, and are willing to cosign any and all of their bad moves to get rid of picks..

It makes no sense at all to look at some of the bad to average players in the draft and then call picks overrated... really? LOL.. come on, this is just a bad attempt to short sell picks since the knicks have none...

give me the picks, I will take my shot at Aldridge, durant, roy, Deng, David lee, iggy, wade etc.....

you see what happens when you try to trade for some of these guys? you end up fleecing your own team to end up with a carmelo anthony.. good luck with that..

give me the picks, I will roll the dice with getting a lebron, wade, aldridge, etc.. and if I don't, at least I won't be stuck with a 30 year old, selfish, ball chucking, aging, guy making 30 mil a year, or some soft, one dimensional, mental disaster euro player....

And since we are talking about the talent here, give me a rudy gay or zach randolph tealent with a head on their shoulders, any day!!!

What's even more hilarious is how professional scouts view the players that everyone is tanking for. This is why so many teams have been in rebuild mode for so many years. How many years is it now for Sacramento, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Toronto, Minnesota, Washington etc?

No, what is more hilarious is how we are built to WIN NOW

and

All those teams that you were just laughing at, have more wins than us, and we have had advanced once in the playoffs since Melo has been here
And some people have said they would do the trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays

LMFAO

All those teams would have loved to win their division last season and win a playoff series. Most of them need that moderate success for their fan base and revenue. Yet they are still searching for answers and each year they look no closer. Sacrament wants to be a playoff team so bad they just traded for Gay. I bet they would love to win 54 games just once.

Sacremento won 50-60 games 5 years in a row with one of the best most exciting teams in the last 20 years in the 2000's

RIP Crushalot😞
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12/16/2013  8:39 AM
H1AND1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
RonRon wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
RonRon wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:I find these types of threads hilarious and typical of those who not only don't have picks but root for teams that treat picks with little regard, and are willing to cosign any and all of their bad moves to get rid of picks..

It makes no sense at all to look at some of the bad to average players in the draft and then call picks overrated... really? LOL.. come on, this is just a bad attempt to short sell picks since the knicks have none...

give me the picks, I will take my shot at Aldridge, durant, roy, Deng, David lee, iggy, wade etc.....

you see what happens when you try to trade for some of these guys? you end up fleecing your own team to end up with a carmelo anthony.. good luck with that..

give me the picks, I will roll the dice with getting a lebron, wade, aldridge, etc.. and if I don't, at least I won't be stuck with a 30 year old, selfish, ball chucking, aging, guy making 30 mil a year, or some soft, one dimensional, mental disaster euro player....

And since we are talking about the talent here, give me a rudy gay or zach randolph tealent with a head on their shoulders, any day!!!

What's even more hilarious is how professional scouts view the players that everyone is tanking for. This is why so many teams have been in rebuild mode for so many years. How many years is it now for Sacramento, Charlotte, Milwaukee, Toronto, Minnesota, Washington etc?

No, what is more hilarious is how we are built to WIN NOW

and

All those teams that you were just laughing at, have more wins than us, and we have had advanced once in the playoffs since Melo has been here
And some people have said they would do the trade every day of the week and twice on Sundays

LMFAO

All those teams would have loved to win their division last season and win a playoff series. Most of them need that moderate success for their fan base and revenue. Yet they are still searching for answers and each year they look no closer. Sacrament wants to be a playoff team so bad they just traded for Gay. I bet they would love to win 54 games just once.

and they would have loved to trade a half a team 60m in cap relief, and what looks to be a top 3 pick, a top 2nd rounder, 2 more picks, of which could still be high in 2016, along with all the useless 2nd round picks we sent out that are looking quite good now, all for a player to leave before the credit card statement comes for the bill

You want to talk about how much he lead Cuse to a national title in one try, had a scoring title last year, scored multiple 30 pt games with over 30 attempts each game???

Hes coming home, coming home, tell the world, hes leaving

HOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


LOL. it is hilarous man, really. now we have no picks and fans are trying to downplay the picks... lets take a look at this.. how did carmelo anthony come into the NBA? wait he was drafted right.. and with what? a Pick... if the knicks love carmelo so much, hold onto your picks and then you can draft your own one dimensional chucker and save a lot of money and other assets in the process.. LOL

So the logic is to blow it up and trade Carmelo Anthony so we can draft our own new Carmelo Anthony? Ok got it lol.


NO THE plan is to acquire as many assets as you can, so we can build a much better team, and out of that hopefully we develop a player much better than carmelo..

similar to the way the pacers did with paul George....

got it?

I wonder if we would be lucky enough to do that, or end up like most other teams that are still trying to find that guy. Do you have faith that our front office will be lucky enough and skilled enough to find the next Paul George?

Wait a second if the excuse is that our front office is too incompetent to build through picks how do you have faith that they'll build through trades and Free agency smartly?


Exactly; I was trying to figure out how to say that.
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12/16/2013  9:16 AM
POrtand got a franchise pg at the 8th pick.

2nd round picks can be incubated with euro's and wait a few years to develop. Ask San Antonio.
Picks like George hill can be developed, then traded for higher picks. Ask San Antonio about Kawai Leonards upside.

Denver is 16-6 now. They are young, and they have picks. Yeah, that one. Might be a lottery!!!!!

Some teams suck. we are one of them. "Win now"? 54 wins. Take to the bank. All she wrote.

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12/16/2013  9:27 AM
this draft is more about the sizzle than the steak. I don't see any of these guys living up to the preseason hype
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12/16/2013  9:43 AM
I'm at the breaking point with this franchise. If they don't start going about things differently and give up on the quick fixes and bandaids I'm gonna give up on the NBA until Dolan is out of the picture. I'm anxious to see in what direction they are headed in. Will there be a plan and direction this time?
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12/16/2013  10:14 AM
gunsnewing wrote:I'm at the breaking point with this franchise. If they don't start going about things differently and give up on the quick fixes and bandaids I'm gonna give up on the NBA until Dolan is out of the picture. I'm anxious to see in what direction they are headed in. Will there be a plan and direction this time?

Hasn't the plan and direction all along been to try and compete with this core until 2015 and then be players in the 2015 free agent class and then start fresh with a new core built around Melo? Whether right or wrong, i think it's clear that is the plan. Execution is another issue. It was a clear plan, but a poorly executed one thus far.

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12/16/2013  10:25 AM
Oh I don't know what the plan is right now. I'm hoping it is the right one. I was referring to the flawed and since 1999
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12/16/2013  10:34 AM
Swishfm3 wrote:How did this turn into another melo bashing thread??

oh wait...TkF showed up.

you all need to relax. The reality is, if you have been watching any College ball this year, you would see that Wiggins is not all that..Randle is not all that (at least not to that level the media hyping them to be).

With that being said...the College season is still very young and a lot can happen, but as of today...the next "Lebron"?...I dont think so.

here comes swish more worried about TKF and what he says than actually posting something of value to the threads... typical..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/16/2013  10:35 AM
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm at the breaking point with this franchise. If they don't start going about things differently and give up on the quick fixes and bandaids I'm gonna give up on the NBA until Dolan is out of the picture. I'm anxious to see in what direction they are headed in. Will there be a plan and direction this time?

Hasn't the plan and direction all along been to try and compete with this core until 2015 and then be players in the 2015 free agent class and then start fresh with a new core built around Melo? Whether right or wrong, i think it's clear that is the plan. Execution is another issue. It was a clear plan, but a poorly executed one thus far.


"Try and compete" until 2015 isn't a plan. It's just a vague hope.
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12/16/2013  10:35 AM
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm at the breaking point with this franchise. If they don't start going about things differently and give up on the quick fixes and bandaids I'm gonna give up on the NBA until Dolan is out of the picture. I'm anxious to see in what direction they are headed in. Will there be a plan and direction this time?

Hasn't the plan and direction all along been to try and compete with this core until 2015 and then be players in the 2015 free agent class and then start fresh with a new core built around Melo? Whether right or wrong, i think it's clear that is the plan. Execution is another issue. It was a clear plan, but a poorly executed one thus far.

no that has never been a plan of the knicks, that has been a pipe dream of the fans who are trying to spin this mess into some well thought out long term plan.. hecks no that wasn't the plan and it wasn't the plan when we acquired carmelo..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/16/2013  10:36 AM
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Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I'm at the breaking point with this franchise. If they don't start going about things differently and give up on the quick fixes and bandaids I'm gonna give up on the NBA until Dolan is out of the picture. I'm anxious to see in what direction they are headed in. Will there be a plan and direction this time?

Hasn't the plan and direction all along been to try and compete with this core until 2015 and then be players in the 2015 free agent class and then start fresh with a new core built around Melo? Whether right or wrong, i think it's clear that is the plan. Execution is another issue. It was a clear plan, but a poorly executed one thus far.


"Try and compete" until 2015 isn't a plan. It's just a vague hope.

exactly bonn, it has never been a plan, and if so, who intimated that plan to the fans, that plan does not exist..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/16/2013  10:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2013  10:38 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:this draft is more about the sizzle than the steak. I don't see any of these guys living up to the preseason hype

if we had our pick, I guarantee you would not be saying this..

so you are saying no one in this draft is going to be good.. no one at all..

I will say this, if there are 3 quality players in the first round, it still is a shame we don't have any picks to take a shot at any one of them...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/16/2013  11:07 AM
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SupremeCommander wrote:this draft is more about the sizzle than the steak. I don't see any of these guys living up to the preseason hype

if we had our pick, I guarantee you would not be saying this..

so you are saying no one in this draft is going to be good.. no one at all..

I will say this, if there are 3 quality players in the first round, it still is a shame we don't have any picks to take a shot at any one of them...

don't put words in my mouth

I think there will be plenty of "good" players, however, coming into this year the hype was that this would be one of the best draft classes ever. Are you saying you buy that?

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SupremeCommander wrote:
tkf wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:this draft is more about the sizzle than the steak. I don't see any of these guys living up to the preseason hype

if we had our pick, I guarantee you would not be saying this..

so you are saying no one in this draft is going to be good.. no one at all..

I will say this, if there are 3 quality players in the first round, it still is a shame we don't have any picks to take a shot at any one of them...

don't put words in my mouth

I think there will be plenty of "good" players, however, coming into this year the hype was that this would be one of the best draft classes ever. Are you saying you buy that?

well why not buy that? it is not like they say this every year.... I can see with my own eyes, there is some great blue chip talent out there, so why would one not believe this can be.. but even then,lets say this was just a very good draft, you just said yourself that you think there will be plenty of good players in the draft.. well ok.. it still is a damn shame we don't have a pick... that is the point..

lets not minimize the draft, because we don't have a pick and trying to justify this teams awful moves.

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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12/16/2013  11:38 AM
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gunsnewing wrote:I'm at the breaking point with this franchise. If they don't start going about things differently and give up on the quick fixes and bandaids I'm gonna give up on the NBA until Dolan is out of the picture. I'm anxious to see in what direction they are headed in. Will there be a plan and direction this time?

Hasn't the plan and direction all along been to try and compete with this core until 2015 and then be players in the 2015 free agent class and then start fresh with a new core built around Melo? Whether right or wrong, i think it's clear that is the plan. Execution is another issue. It was a clear plan, but a poorly executed one thus far.

no that has never been a plan of the knicks, that has been a pipe dream of the fans who are trying to spin this mess into some well thought out long term plan.. hecks no that wasn't the plan and it wasn't the plan when we acquired carmelo..

I have heard that 2015 thing more from the media than the fans. Do you believe all of the major contracts (Melo, Stoudemire, Chandler, and to a lesser extent Bargnani, Kidd, and Camby) expiring in 2015 was just a coincidence? You don't think there was any type of reasoning behind it?

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12/16/2013  11:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2013  11:59 AM
Knixkik wrote:
tkf wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:I'm at the breaking point with this franchise. If they don't start going about things differently and give up on the quick fixes and bandaids I'm gonna give up on the NBA until Dolan is out of the picture. I'm anxious to see in what direction they are headed in. Will there be a plan and direction this time?

Hasn't the plan and direction all along been to try and compete with this core until 2015 and then be players in the 2015 free agent class and then start fresh with a new core built around Melo? Whether right or wrong, i think it's clear that is the plan. Execution is another issue. It was a clear plan, but a poorly executed one thus far.

no that has never been a plan of the knicks, that has been a pipe dream of the fans who are trying to spin this mess into some well thought out long term plan.. hecks no that wasn't the plan and it wasn't the plan when we acquired carmelo..

I have heard that 2015 thing more from the media than the fans. Do you believe all of the major contracts (Melo, Stoudemire, Chandler, and to a lesser extent Bargnani, Kidd, and Camby) expiring in 2015 was just a coincidence? You don't think there was any type of reasoning behind it?

coincidence, I don't believe for one minute that when we signed amare, when we signed chandler and when we made the ridiculous deal for carmelo that this franchise thought one minute about the year 2015.. not one minute.. if you believe that, then I have a bag of magic beans I would love to sell you..

you are banking so much on 2015... who do you think is coming to save the knicks.. rondo has no desire to leave the celtics a team in much better shape than we are, and the wolves who are also in better shape than us have two years to work on kevin love.. are you telling me when we signed amare and traded for camelo the knicks were like, lets make these deals end around 2015 because we are going after rondo and kevin love? no one in NY was thinking about the year 2015 when those deals were signed...

Bargnani was shoved down our throats thanks to CAA.... his deal just happen to be ending soon..thank god..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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