tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nalod discussed it first a few months back.

Its not that I want him over melo, its done to preserve a movable asset when leverage is lost. I would look to trade him.

Dolan needs a marketable player. Dude can move Kia's and Kyrie needs someone to pass to.

Championships are not the issue.

nalod the key here is that knicks fans are not being honest here.. moving carmelo will not yield us a player like griffin... in what universe is that even realistic thinking?

The clippers can dangle blake out there and get a package of players that will actually help them now and long term... not an aging, one way chucking loser.. and right now, this is what carmelo looks like, his career is shaping out that way, for christ sakes we are 6-16..

Your thinking basketball. Im talking about value to franchise. Its about sterling, franshise value and TV deals for him. Dolan its about ratings. Winning is nice but knicks sell tickets and TV viewership is way more important. Knicks make playoffs is a what drives revenue.

I am not saying dolan won't do it, he would be a fool not to, I am saying sterling doesn't.. carmelo doesn't fill more seats than blake, and if you are looking star power, blake is a bargain right now for the clippers..

Melo is greater starpower. Blake is even more hyped is true.

Nalod carmelo doesn't have the starpower outside of NY as many think. I went to both the knicks game and clippers games lat month here in Atlanta..

of course knicks fans came out to see the knicks... but when the clippers came, folks came out to see blake... I had secone row floor seats, sat right behind jane fonda, falcons players came out to see blake, women came out to see blake.. kids were there to see blake.. dude no one outside of NY fans were talking about carmelo.. LOL

when it comes to star power, Blake is Brad Pit... carmelo is columbus short...

I don't doubt what you saw. Maybe it was "Blind hate" that corrupted your vision????

In all honesty, the price we paid for Melo was high, "Coming home" in reality was an MSG fabrication and the whole starphuchedness of him to NY was quite baffling. It does seem like an MSG fabrication but Knick fans swallowed every inch of it willingly. Fans took it up the arse also with Marbury when the "prodigal son returns to his NY roots" instead of "Max contract DUI surley underachieving winning statwhore gets sold to Mecca as a star".

Melo is not a bad guy, and he scores lots of points, but he is Glenn Rice/Glen Robinson but with better marketing!

Maybe with Chris Paul his dream buddy he can be more.

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

Disagreeing with your opinion of Melo doesn't make someone delusional. It doesn't mean that they post wild trade scenarios where the Knicks fleece the team they are dealing with. It doesn't mean that they over value every Knick player on the team. It means they don't hate the guy so much that they under value him. Big difference but three years in it seems that posting from a place of hate and anger and not being open minded in regards to the teams best player is the norm.

What would it take for you and others to even slightly warm up to TKF's views? I mean, if we went 0-82 would that be enough?

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

Disagreeing with your opinion of Melo doesn't make someone delusional. It doesn't mean that they post wild trade scenarios where the Knicks fleece the team they are dealing with. It doesn't mean that they over value every Knick player on the team. It means they don't hate the guy so much that they under value him. Big difference but three years in it seems that posting from a place of hate and anger and not being open minded in regards to the teams best player is the norm.

What would it take for you and others to even slightly warm up to TKF's views? I mean, if we went 0-82 would that be enough?

Why is it that one has to take one of two opposing views: 1) Melo is satan incarnate or 2) Melo is OMG2HAWT Scoring CHAMPION LOLOL HE'S BETTER THAN LEBRON!

It IS possible to see Melo is a flawed player who won't take this iteration of the Knicks anywhere yet also agree that _some_ team out there might value him and be able to use him effectively. I'm not a melo fan but why should I come around to TKF's views when it comes to hating the guy so much he refuses to believe any team would trade for him? Conversely, Melo bashers don't need to agree that he is the Knicks savior or worth keeping around to concede the point that somewhere, in some reality Carmelo _could_ possibly contribute to a winning team.

Final note FWIW my views of Melos BASKETBALL acumen and skills are much more aligned with you Bonn, and guys like TKF than those that are pro Melo. I just hope we trade him at this point even if his value is lower than it would've been say last season. I don't think if he Knicks out out feelers every GM is going to go "LOL FATMELO! No way!" Surely some team of GM may be interested.

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

Disagreeing with your opinion of Melo doesn't make someone delusional. It doesn't mean that they post wild trade scenarios where the Knicks fleece the team they are dealing with. It doesn't mean that they over value every Knick player on the team. It means they don't hate the guy so much that they under value him. Big difference but three years in it seems that posting from a place of hate and anger and not being open minded in regards to the teams best player is the norm.

What would it take for you and others to even slightly warm up to TKF's views? I mean, if we went 0-82 would that be enough?

Why is it that one has to take one of two opposing views: 1) Melo is satan incarnate or 2) Melo is OMG2HAWT Scoring CHAMPION LOLOL HE'S BETTER THAN LEBRON!

It IS possible to see Melo is a flawed player who won't take this iteration of the Knicks anywhere yet also agree that _some_ team out there might value him and be able to use him effectively. I'm not a melo fan but why should I come around to TKF's views when it comes to hating the guy so much he refuses to believe any team would trade for him? Conversely, Melo bashers don't need to agree that he is the Knicks savior or worth keeping around to concede the point that somewhere, in some reality Carmelo _could_ possibly contribute to a winning team.

Final note FWIW my views of Melos BASKETBALL acumen and skills are much more aligned with you Bonn, and guys like TKF than those that are pro Melo. I just hope we trade him at this point even if his value is lower than it would've been say last season. I don't think if he Knicks out out feelers every GM is going to go "LOL FATMELO! No way!" Surely some team of GM may be interested.

That seems like an exaggeration. He just said the Clippers wouldn't trade Griffin for him. I remember TKF previously saying he thought Melo was worth around $12 to 15 mil per.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that it seems like one has to "pick a side" with Melo but apologies I probably didn't express myself correctly in my response to your post.

What I was trying to get at is one can objectively dislike Melo's game (not hard!) yet still gauge his value. When I read TKFs posts I agree with his basketball assessment of Melo but then sometimes it seems like what is personal vitriol and dislike for Melo bleeds in and turns valid arguments into exaggerations.

I've lurked here for years and I guess I missed TKF's 12-15 million assessment. I guess that's fair but honestly I would offer less! 10?

Dagger wrote:Say no to Blake! One of the few "stars" in the league I want on this team less than melo at 27 mil/per

I'm with you 100%!

smackeddog wrote:I like this better:

The Phoenix Suns are looking to trade one or more draft picks in the 2014 NBA Draft for a proven star player who can make an immediate impact.

The Suns will have as many as four picks in June's draft and are not placing them off limits in potential trades.

“I think one of the things that’s important for people to realize is that we may not draft four players even if we have four picks,” Ryan McDonough said. “Our preference would probably be to maybe package a few of them. We’re obviously all looking for stars and we feel like we can put together a package as good, if not better, than any other team in the league if and when a star becomes available.

"That’s kind of generally what we’ve wanted to do, not only with our draft-pick situation but also with the cap space that we’ve acquired.”

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/231086/Suns-Seeking-To-Trade-Draft-Picks-For-Star-Player

Any chance of Melo to Clips, Blake Griffin to Suns, and some 2014 draft picks to us- everyones a winner!

That's not how the Knicks operate.

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nalod discussed it first a few months back.

Its not that I want him over melo, its done to preserve a movable asset when leverage is lost. I would look to trade him.

Dolan needs a marketable player. Dude can move Kia's and Kyrie needs someone to pass to.

Championships are not the issue.

nalod the key here is that knicks fans are not being honest here.. moving carmelo will not yield us a player like griffin... in what universe is that even realistic thinking?

The clippers can dangle blake out there and get a package of players that will actually help them now and long term... not an aging, one way chucking loser.. and right now, this is what carmelo looks like, his career is shaping out that way, for christ sakes we are 6-16..

Your thinking basketball. Im talking about value to franchise. Its about sterling, franshise value and TV deals for him. Dolan its about ratings. Winning is nice but knicks sell tickets and TV viewership is way more important. Knicks make playoffs is a what drives revenue.

I am not saying dolan won't do it, he would be a fool not to, I am saying sterling doesn't.. carmelo doesn't fill more seats than blake, and if you are looking star power, blake is a bargain right now for the clippers..

Melo is greater starpower. Blake is even more hyped is true.

Nalod carmelo doesn't have the starpower outside of NY as many think. I went to both the knicks game and clippers games lat month here in Atlanta..

of course knicks fans came out to see the knicks... but when the clippers came, folks came out to see blake... I had secone row floor seats, sat right behind jane fonda, falcons players came out to see blake, women came out to see blake.. kids were there to see blake.. dude no one outside of NY fans were talking about carmelo.. LOL

when it comes to star power, Blake is Brad Pit... carmelo is columbus short...

I don't doubt what you saw. Maybe it was "Blind hate" that corrupted your vision????

In all honesty, the price we paid for Melo was high, "Coming home" in reality was an MSG fabrication and the whole starphuchedness of him to NY was quite baffling. It does seem like an MSG fabrication but Knick fans swallowed every inch of it willingly. Fans took it up the arse also with Marbury when the "prodigal son returns to his NY roots" instead of "Max contract DUI surley underachieving winning statwhore gets sold to Mecca as a star".

Melo is not a bad guy, and he scores lots of points, but he is Glenn Rice/Glen Robinson but with better marketing!

Maybe with Chris Paul his dream buddy he can be more.

nah, no blind hate, but the brightness of reality.. LOL

Maybe with Chris Paul his dream buddy he can be more.

what I learned about guys like carmelo, him doing more or doing better doesn't seem to translate into team success...

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

Disagreeing with your opinion of Melo doesn't make someone delusional. It doesn't mean that they post wild trade scenarios where the Knicks fleece the team they are dealing with. It doesn't mean that they over value every Knick player on the team. It means they don't hate the guy so much that they under value him. Big difference but three years in it seems that posting from a place of hate and anger and not being open minded in regards to the teams best player is the norm.

What would it take for you and others to even slightly warm up to TKF's views? I mean, if we went 0-82 would that be enough?

I just think Melo helps the Clips more than Blake and I think they are almost there in regards to competing for a championship. My response to him was in terms of Melo playing with the guys on the Clippers. I think Melo and Paul would be a really tough out. I also really like Jordan.

The clippers are not an easy out right now.. you said with surety that they would win a ring. I am calling that out now as BS.... there seems to be this thinking that all carmelo needs is a running mate, or the other extreme is that he has never played with a good team.. both are ridiculous if you ask me.. carmelo only offers scoring, the clippers have that.. more than enough...they are almost at 104ppg... blake gives them everything you want in a PF in this league.... carmelo does not bring anything to the clippers that they need...

you do realize carmelo has the ability to do what he wants on the knicks.. shoot when he wants, bring the ball up, etc, and the knicks are 6-16, yet you are trying to sell that he makes the clippers better? come on bro..

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

Disagreeing with your opinion of Melo doesn't make someone delusional. It doesn't mean that they post wild trade scenarios where the Knicks fleece the team they are dealing with. It doesn't mean that they over value every Knick player on the team. It means they don't hate the guy so much that they under value him. Big difference but three years in it seems that posting from a place of hate and anger and not being open minded in regards to the teams best player is the norm.

What would it take for you and others to even slightly warm up to TKF's views? I mean, if we went 0-82 would that be enough?

Why is it that one has to take one of two opposing views: 1) Melo is satan incarnate or 2) Melo is OMG2HAWT Scoring CHAMPION LOLOL HE'S BETTER THAN LEBRON!

It IS possible to see Melo is a flawed player who won't take this iteration of the Knicks anywhere yet also agree that _some_ team out there might value him and be able to use him effectively. I'm not a melo fan but why should I come around to TKF's views when it comes to hating the guy so much he refuses to believe any team would trade for him? Conversely, Melo bashers don't need to agree that he is the Knicks savior or worth keeping around to concede the point that somewhere, in some reality Carmelo _could_ possibly contribute to a winning team.

Final note FWIW my views of Melos BASKETBALL acumen and skills are much more aligned with you Bonn, and guys like TKF than those that are pro Melo. I just hope we trade him at this point even if his value is lower than it would've been say last season. I don't think if he Knicks out out feelers every GM is going to go "LOL FATMELO! No way!" Surely some team of GM may be interested.

That seems like an exaggeration. He just said the Clippers wouldn't trade Griffin for him. I remember TKF previously saying he thought Melo was worth around $12 to 15 mil per.

I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that it seems like one has to "pick a side" with Melo but apologies I probably didn't express myself correctly in my response to your post.

What I was trying to get at is one can objectively dislike Melo's game (not hard!) yet still gauge his value. When I read TKFs posts I agree with his basketball assessment of Melo but then sometimes it seems like what is personal vitriol and dislike for Melo bleeds in and turns valid arguments into exaggerations.

I've lurked here for years and I guess I missed TKF's 12-15 million assessment. I guess that's fair but honestly I would offer less! 10?

I said 12-15 mil, bonn is correct, I would love to stay closer to 12 mil, but in this league guys who do produce.. and carmelo, although a mindless chucker, can score, although not efficient, he can score, and he is a very good volume shooter/ scorer and in this league, they do have value, and I think in the 12-14 mil range, especially if you can score like carmelo can... 15 mil is the most for a guy like that IMO tho...

with that said, you can see why I think it is crazy for people to be talking about carmelo for blake and a pick.. a Pick!!! as if it is doing the clippers a favor.. I mean come on now...

tkf wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

franco12 wrote:

RonRon wrote:

tkf wrote:

RonRon wrote:had Griffen developed a FT shot to go with his POTENTIAL a couple years back, then maybe

but

the hype has died out, we can force feed him and make him a human high light machine and lose by 30 pts and win less than 30 games a season
except we own every other year's draft pick and not our anticipated high 2nd round pick
He doesn't get paid 5m per year anymore, he gets payed max and thus is a MAX player that does not live up to his contract and why would we want that for 2015?

if we don't reload in 2015 with efficient cap and talent, we are tripled F***ED
on top of it, we will have to sign someone or even 2 players that we can keep beyond 2015 with the 5m MLE if Melo leaves

so we suck this year and next year, at least we own next year's pick and with a couple of good signings and/or some young future talent it could make a difference for 2015 FA

the hype has died out and what you see is a guy becoming a more complete player.. less dunks than last year to this point, but his FG% is high, he still scores and rebounds...

Blake is a better player than carmelo and the clippers won't trade him for carmelo..

they will never win close games with consistency, especially the ones that matter most with

Blake and Jordan either

so someone has to go among the 2 because they can never win with a PF and C that shoots a combined under 50% FT either as either would be liabilities in close game situations and cannot play together because of poor spacing and cannot touch the ball under the 2minute mark or can hack a jordan/griffen for over 2minutes

because Melo has shown himself to be such a strong closer- not only this year, but his whole career!

Please, the only place this trade was discussed was between the writer and his buddy over drinks. And if it was discussed by NBA GMs it was in context of a joke!

Melo has so little value out there, it isn't even funny. We'd be lucky to get a late first round pick for him. Heck, I bet Amare has more value around the league...

exactly, I can't imagine the clippers discussing such a deal... I don't think carmelo has that kind of value and the more the knicks lose, I can't see his value getting any higher? Now I know you may be just kidding, but we know amare has little value as well and surely not as much as carmelo.. now the amare that first came to NY under dantoni.. maybe...

but I get your point here.. LOL

If the Clippers have a shot at making this deal they do it 8 days a week. The clips add Melo for blake they win a championship. If the Knicks move a melo and you are a fan of the team you have to hope that they do something other than a deal for Blake.

carmelo doesn't make one team in this universe a champion, just delusional comments... so they become better than the spurs and thunder yet carmelo can't make the knicks better than a 6-16 team.. just listen to yourself.. No one in their right mind believes that, so I guess you are not in your right mind.. if that were true the clippers should not only be offering up blake, but they should throw in every pick they have as well.. I mean wouldn't you.. if you knew adding one player would make you a champion wouldn't you trade everything? of course, but the clippers know better and if they were a dumb organization I would welcome this trade as blake is a better player, younger and cheaper, but I am also a realist and the clippers are not dumb...

And here is more proof as to why we know that comment isn't true... ready? ready? THE CLIPPERS I AM SURE WANT TO WIN A RING AND THEY HAVE NOT CALLED THE KNICKS ABOUT CARMELO!!

see, how simple that is?

Disagreeing with your opinion of Melo doesn't make someone delusional. It doesn't mean that they post wild trade scenarios where the Knicks fleece the team they are dealing with. It doesn't mean that they over value every Knick player on the team. It means they don't hate the guy so much that they under value him. Big difference but three years in it seems that posting from a place of hate and anger and not being open minded in regards to the teams best player is the norm.

What would it take for you and others to even slightly warm up to TKF's views? I mean, if we went 0-82 would that be enough?

Why is it that one has to take one of two opposing views: 1) Melo is satan incarnate or 2) Melo is OMG2HAWT Scoring CHAMPION LOLOL HE'S BETTER THAN LEBRON!

It IS possible to see Melo is a flawed player who won't take this iteration of the Knicks anywhere yet also agree that _some_ team out there might value him and be able to use him effectively. I'm not a melo fan but why should I come around to TKF's views when it comes to hating the guy so much he refuses to believe any team would trade for him? Conversely, Melo bashers don't need to agree that he is the Knicks savior or worth keeping around to concede the point that somewhere, in some reality Carmelo _could_ possibly contribute to a winning team.

Final note FWIW my views of Melos BASKETBALL acumen and skills are much more aligned with you Bonn, and guys like TKF than those that are pro Melo. I just hope we trade him at this point even if his value is lower than it would've been say last season. I don't think if he Knicks out out feelers every GM is going to go "LOL FATMELO! No way!" Surely some team of GM may be interested.

well see you are doing what you are complaining about.. going over the top. I never said carmelo has no value and I know there are teams that would trade for him, problem is, I don't think it is teams like the clippers giving up a prize piece like Blake griffin. Knicks fans damn well know if Blake was a knick they would not trade him for a aging player like carmelo seeking another HUGe max deal on a team that is 6-16...

Carmelo has value, just not what most fans think... carlos boozer and a top 3 protected pick from the bulls and maybe that butler kid.... or maybe the hawks with jeff teague, milsap and a protected pick for carmelo and felton.. those are the types of deals we can look at..

when we start talking aldridge, love, blake, I mean really? those guys are younger stars, in some cases much younger, who not only have more upside but are better now.. why in the world would teams do that? carmelo has am long resume, there is no more potential. teams know who he is and what he does... He is an allstar player making max money who needs a real max player to carry him.. why in the world would any team give up blake for that? now if the clippers do it.. I am the happiest fan in the world.. but right now, I rather stick to reality..

I would do any of those deals you proposed in a heartbeat and in my other post I stayed I'd resign Carmelo at no more than 10 million or so.