Knixkik wrote:It's true, if amare were the same player he was in year one, we would have had a chance at a title at some point in the past 3 years. Just the typical bad luck Knicks.

not with felton at the point guard position

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:IF Amare stayed healthy and played like he can--this team wouldve been a championship team. I guess I can respect rolling the dice a bit--anyone remembers what Amare was his first year here--he was a superstar. We won last night because of Amare and here are Amare's #s the last 4 games

15 points 5 reb 1.4 blocks shooting 75% in 24 minutes--the guy is still on pace there to do 25/26-8/10-2 if he got 36-38 minutes

I have no problem with the Knicks rolling the dice on STAT. It's the way they used him that I have problem with. They took a guy who every knew had three high level years in him, at the most, and they ran him into the ground in year one.

no it was bringing in an inferior point guard that contributed mightily.

dk7th wrote:

Knixkik wrote:It's true, if amare were the same player he was in year one, we would have had a chance at a title at some point in the past 3 years. Just the typical bad luck Knicks.

not with felton at the point guard position

Yes you have a point.

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nyk4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:If it were me and Amare were healthy I wouldve never gotten Chandler. But no matter what--like some have said here--the owner took the risk knowing the downside and the downside hit. Two players I thought would be long long term MVP types Amare and Bynum--they both had knee issues Bynum wouldve been the best C by a mile and Amare the best PF--which he was at one point. Injuries are a real shtty part of sports.

its rough man. i actually think other then lebron, amear is the single most athletically gifted person that i've ever seen in the nba. speed, quickness, strength.. to me, amear was only matched by lebron. as we all know though, lebron body has held up 10000000x better than amears.

I gotta disagree with that. As athletic as STAT was, Kemp in his prime had him by leaps and bounds. Literally. Young Shaq is up there also.

The first time I ever had great seats at the Garden that I purchased myself--I remember Kemp doing a revers e jam by Kenny Walker(who could also jump) I think it was 91

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:IF Amare stayed healthy and played like he can--this team wouldve been a championship team. I guess I can respect rolling the dice a bit--anyone remembers what Amare was his first year here--he was a superstar. We won last night because of Amare and here are Amare's #s the last 4 games

15 points 5 reb 1.4 blocks shooting 75% in 24 minutes--the guy is still on pace there to do 25/26-8/10-2 if he got 36-38 minutes

STOP IT BRIGGS! they played a bulls team that is absolutely decimated by injuries, more than any team in the league.... the gave up a 23 point lead, and had hinrich not been playing like a dummy might have pulled this game out... please come on now.. championship team? with a healthy amare playing well and I love amare, this team would get steamrolled by the pacers and heat, and since we are giving amare the gift of health might as well pass it on to the bulls... a healthy bulls team would steam roll a healthy knicks team..

back to reality bro..

I agree that with Deng and Butler in the game, NY would lose. Add Rose and its a blowout.

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SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:IF Amare stayed healthy and played like he can--this team wouldve been a championship team. I guess I can respect rolling the dice a bit--anyone remembers what Amare was his first year here--he was a superstar. We won last night because of Amare and here are Amare's #s the last 4 games

15 points 5 reb 1.4 blocks shooting 75% in 24 minutes--the guy is still on pace there to do 25/26-8/10-2 if he got 36-38 minutes

STOP IT BRIGGS! they played a bulls team that is absolutely decimated by injuries, more than any team in the league.... the gave up a 23 point lead, and had hinrich not been playing like a dummy might have pulled this game out... please come on now.. championship team? with a healthy amare playing well and I love amare, this team would get steamrolled by the pacers and heat, and since we are giving amare the gift of health might as well pass it on to the bulls... a healthy bulls team would steam roll a healthy knicks team..

back to reality bro..

all fired up and ready to hate this AM!

nah, I am looking for losses like guns... that is the light at the end of the tunnel.... hit dolan right where it hurts.. more losses, more negativity. Dolan worries about one thing? how bad he looks, he will be forced to change...

No matter how bad things got I could never root against the Knicks. You would root against your own kids in the school play if you didn't like the teacher lol.

LETS try leaving my kids out of this. thanks

I hate to use the word root, but I don't mind the losses, as it makes dolan looks bad, and honestly that affects him most. he is concerned with how he looks, which is why he is such a control freak as to what is said in the media and how things are perceived..

Stop it. No one is talking about your kids specifically, or even if you have kids. It is a general figure of speech.

And not minding loses just to make Dolan look bad is pointless. Why not just go for another team if you can't handle tough times?

Actually I do root for other teams..

and I have handled the tough times... from 1980 till today.. pre ewing, post ewing....

Everyone has a breaking point.. I have reached my once we traded for that loser carmelo..

I want dolan to look bad as possible, at some point change will have to take place.. I know he is about as dumb as they come, but even then he has to have a breaking point as well..

The breaking point should have been well before Melo then. Things were much worse in the mid 2000s. We are having a bad year but even had bad seasons with Ewing. In 90-91 Ewing was in his prime and we finished below .500. It happens. Dolan isn't going to change his strategy after one bad season, especially with last seasons success. It's amazing how similar Melo is to Ewing. Ny under appreciates their stars more than any other fanbase no question about it.

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gunsnewing wrote:

tkf wrote:I mean lets be real, if amare knees were any good, he would never have been a knick... the suns didn't give him a max deal because they knew better... sad but true...

Yep sad but true. Our history of signing and trading for damaged goods and outcasts to back to mcdyess Marbury Francis & curry

if amare knees were ok, kerr and the suns would have kept him...I knew his knees were not going to last, i was just hoping to get 3-4 good years out of them..

Let's say his knees hold up for the rest of the season, thru the playoffs, a slow start during the beginning of next year and a finish in the 14-15 playoffs. Will this qualify as "a 3-4 good years"?

newyorknewyork wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Amare and Melo played well together the first year because it had not become Melos team yet. Second year was a struggle because Amare than had to fit with Melo and a player like Amare can't fit Melo. If Melo is going to dominate th ball he needs a heady pg like billups to cater to him. It's a mess. Typical Knicks

I just think carmelo is a messy player, and individual. I was fine with building with amare and the kids and seeing where we went from there. if amare knees blew up, we still had the kids, picks, and cap space, and then the amnesty came later.. building a team requires patience, something most knicks fans don't have and certainly not management..

TKF as many yrs as you have followed the Knicks. What makes you or ever made you believe that the Knicks would have stayed pat and patiently just drafted and let the players develop? The only reason why Walsh was allowed to do it was because they wanted to keep cap space down in order to go after 2 superstar players in free agency 2010. We traded away a lottery pick in the middle of his rookie yr just to clear 7mil more in cap space that yr. The Knicks were always going to trade draft picks and or pieces to land big name veterans especially if Amare's knees were acting up hurting our playoff chances.

Some of these posters live in a fantasy tube land where they only envision what will never happen and then regurgitate it in multiple threads like they know the xyz on what the knicks should do.

SMH rolling my eyes at them.

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SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:IF Amare stayed healthy and played like he can--this team wouldve been a championship team. I guess I can respect rolling the dice a bit--anyone remembers what Amare was his first year here--he was a superstar. We won last night because of Amare and here are Amare's #s the last 4 games

15 points 5 reb 1.4 blocks shooting 75% in 24 minutes--the guy is still on pace there to do 25/26-8/10-2 if he got 36-38 minutes

STOP IT BRIGGS! they played a bulls team that is absolutely decimated by injuries, more than any team in the league.... the gave up a 23 point lead, and had hinrich not been playing like a dummy might have pulled this game out... please come on now.. championship team? with a healthy amare playing well and I love amare, this team would get steamrolled by the pacers and heat, and since we are giving amare the gift of health might as well pass it on to the bulls... a healthy bulls team would steam roll a healthy knicks team..

back to reality bro..

all fired up and ready to hate this AM!

nah, I am looking for losses like guns... that is the light at the end of the tunnel.... hit dolan right where it hurts.. more losses, more negativity. Dolan worries about one thing? how bad he looks, he will be forced to change...

No matter how bad things got I could never root against the Knicks. You would root against your own kids in the school play if you didn't like the teacher lol.

LETS try leaving my kids out of this. thanks

I hate to use the word root, but I don't mind the losses, as it makes dolan looks bad, and honestly that affects him most. he is concerned with how he looks, which is why he is such a control freak as to what is said in the media and how things are perceived..

Stop it. No one is talking about your kids specifically, or even if you have kids. It is a general figure of speech.

And not minding loses just to make Dolan look bad is pointless. Why not just go for another team if you can't handle tough times?

Actually I do root for other teams..

and I have handled the tough times... from 1980 till today.. pre ewing, post ewing....

Everyone has a breaking point.. I have reached my once we traded for that loser carmelo..

I want dolan to look bad as possible, at some point change will have to take place.. I know he is about as dumb as they come, but even then he has to have a breaking point as well..

The breaking point should have been well before Melo then. Things were much worse in the mid 2000s. We are having a bad year but even had bad seasons with Ewing. In 90-91 Ewing was in his prime and we finished below .500. It happens. Dolan isn't going to change his strategy after one bad season, especially with last seasons success. It's amazing how similar Melo is to Ewing. Ny under appreciates their stars more than any other fanbase no question about it.

SO YOU ARE going to tell me when my breaking point should have been? LOL

carmelo is nothing similar to Ewing.. Ewing was a winner..

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

tkf wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:IF Amare stayed healthy and played like he can--this team wouldve been a championship team. I guess I can respect rolling the dice a bit--anyone remembers what Amare was his first year here--he was a superstar. We won last night because of Amare and here are Amare's #s the last 4 games

15 points 5 reb 1.4 blocks shooting 75% in 24 minutes--the guy is still on pace there to do 25/26-8/10-2 if he got 36-38 minutes

STOP IT BRIGGS! they played a bulls team that is absolutely decimated by injuries, more than any team in the league.... the gave up a 23 point lead, and had hinrich not been playing like a dummy might have pulled this game out... please come on now.. championship team? with a healthy amare playing well and I love amare, this team would get steamrolled by the pacers and heat, and since we are giving amare the gift of health might as well pass it on to the bulls... a healthy bulls team would steam roll a healthy knicks team..

back to reality bro..

all fired up and ready to hate this AM!

nah, I am looking for losses like guns... that is the light at the end of the tunnel.... hit dolan right where it hurts.. more losses, more negativity. Dolan worries about one thing? how bad he looks, he will be forced to change...

No matter how bad things got I could never root against the Knicks. You would root against your own kids in the school play if you didn't like the teacher lol.

LETS try leaving my kids out of this. thanks

I hate to use the word root, but I don't mind the losses, as it makes dolan looks bad, and honestly that affects him most. he is concerned with how he looks, which is why he is such a control freak as to what is said in the media and how things are perceived..

Stop it. No one is talking about your kids specifically, or even if you have kids. It is a general figure of speech.

And not minding loses just to make Dolan look bad is pointless. Why not just go for another team if you can't handle tough times?

Actually I do root for other teams..

and I have handled the tough times... from 1980 till today.. pre ewing, post ewing....

Everyone has a breaking point.. I have reached my once we traded for that loser carmelo..

I want dolan to look bad as possible, at some point change will have to take place.. I know he is about as dumb as they come, but even then he has to have a breaking point as well..

The breaking point should have been well before Melo then. Things were much worse in the mid 2000s. We are having a bad year but even had bad seasons with Ewing. In 90-91 Ewing was in his prime and we finished below .500. It happens. Dolan isn't going to change his strategy after one bad season, especially with last seasons success. It's amazing how similar Melo is to Ewing. Ny under appreciates their stars more than any other fanbase no question about it.

SO YOU ARE going to tell me when my breaking point should have been? LOL

carmelo is nothing similar to Ewing.. Ewing was a winner..

Depends on what you consider a winner. We won 54 games last season led by Melo. Best season since Ewing was here. It's pointless arguing about this of course, but we all have different definitions of winner.

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because Felton actually has the mentality of a scorer but tries to hide it when he plays with scorers int he starting lineup
He actually runs the PnR well with Tyson but gets limited opportunities including the ability to throw alley hoops to Chandler
In addition Amare also is one of probably our go to man for the limited minutes he does play as he can be quite efficient

Problem is that we don't actually have a starting caliber PG in terms of defending the many premiere PG's in the league, with the ability to penetrate and finish consistently, have a good facilitating game, have speed/quickness for both ends of the game, and capable of hitting a wide open 3pter

I would like to see Murry (especially to pair with a healthy Iman on DEF) get some more minutes and Chris Smith CUT for someone that can contribute on either a PG or a LEGIT SF

I don't mind taking a chance at Lowry but not at the price they are asking for him because he could be a 1year rental and if we had to sign him to an extension to keep him it would have to be a cost friendly salary to save salary for the 2015 FA class to speed up the "rebuilding process"

We cannot "TANK" with Denver owning our pick but we also can not afford to "starphuq" and overpay for 1year rental role players either
We don't seem to want to trade Melo but I think that is the only way we can truly raise the value of the players on our roster with 1 less ball stopper and have more ball movement
What can we get in return for Melo at this point is the question (a reason why I have said in the past, especially last season was our best chances in getting back value for him)