hungerstrike wrote:

knickscity wrote:

hungerstrike wrote:

Melonoma wrote:There is a ZERO chance we get Rondo. ZERO. Please let's stop talking about this. You'll be less disappointed in the end if you don't buy into unrealistic bs like this.

First of all, we don't have the pieces. We have no picks to trade (you can't trade away back to back picks) and Shumpert is our only piece. Shumpert isn't even closing to being worth what Rondo is worth.

Almost anything else you throw in is a negative. For them to take Amar'e or Bargnani, you'd have to give up more. Felton wouldn't be a negative, but he's useless to a team that's rebuilding. Same with Chandler, although you wouldn't want to give up him in any trade.

It's not happening people. Especially when you consider that the last thing the C's want to do is help us. Move on. There's probably a good 20-25 teams with more to offer than Shumpert.

this is all hyperbole, no offense man.

shumpert, thard jr, murry, 2018 1st, 2nd rounders, and a crapload of cap space CAN get it done.

the issue isn't really do we have enough. no one thought we "had enough" to get melo, until he made it clear he "wanted" NY.

if rondo publicly says he wants to play for the knicks and isn't going to resign in 2015, ainge has no choice but to take what he can get and say thanks for it as well.

we can absorb what few teams will be willing to. and stop with this "ainge won't help us" nonsense. he clearly had no problem "helping" the nets, who are another divisional rival.

if we take back bogans, Wallace, and lee, that saves them a BOATLOAD in salary, and avoids them losing rondo for nothing should he say he'll only sign an extension with Team A or Team B.

not to mention, rondo's not the guy whose going to sign on for losing for 2 straight years. he'll become a malcontent.

so yea, I could see it being possible yea. my question is - IS HE EVEN HEALTHY?

I'd rather keep what we have and let him come here in 2015 and use the cap space.

There's no pressure for either team to make this deal, and I dont see Boston taking our offer even if rondo pulled a "melo".

They are rebuilding got a few piece there and a ton of draft picks coming up...they dont need our offer.

Ainge raped the Nets...those dudes are all done....he didnt help them at all.

more hyperbole that doesn't really hold any water WHATSOEVER.

NO ONE thought he "raped" the nets (not a really mature term to use but w/e) at the time. everyone thought the nets would be top 3 in the conference.

it's just that pp and kg have sucked donkey nuts since the deal went down.

and how can you seriously say there's no "pressure" for the knicks to make that deal? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN the last few weeks?

celts may not have pressure that much, knicks absolutely do.

give it a few months though man, rondo will start bitching to ainge about tank city and wanting out.

do I think he'll choose to trade him here? na, not really. is it possible though? yes, without a doubt.

would I do it? na, not really. I'd blow it up b/c I realize what it REALLY takes to win a championship, and I don't think rondo plus melo is enough. nor do I think potato head is a good coach at all. he has that absent stare at times that shows me there's not much going on up there. he probably has one of the lowest iq's of any active coach today, which is kinda sad.

And no the Knicks should be in a rush, adding Rondo to this team now doesnt make them a title team...so there is no rush.

Keep your youth, then add rondo AFTER next season.....typical Knicks would trade it all like idiots right now.

Even if Rondo whines, he's still gonna play the way he does...they'll be fine.

hungerstrike wrote:

knickscity wrote:

hungerstrike wrote:

knickscity wrote:

hungerstrike wrote:

Melonoma wrote:There is a ZERO chance we get Rondo. ZERO. Please let's stop talking about this. You'll be less disappointed in the end if you don't buy into unrealistic bs like this.

First of all, we don't have the pieces. We have no picks to trade (you can't trade away back to back picks) and Shumpert is our only piece. Shumpert isn't even closing to being worth what Rondo is worth.

Almost anything else you throw in is a negative. For them to take Amar'e or Bargnani, you'd have to give up more. Felton wouldn't be a negative, but he's useless to a team that's rebuilding. Same with Chandler, although you wouldn't want to give up him in any trade.

It's not happening people. Especially when you consider that the last thing the C's want to do is help us. Move on. There's probably a good 20-25 teams with more to offer than Shumpert.

this is all hyperbole, no offense man.

shumpert, thard jr, murry, 2018 1st, 2nd rounders, and a crapload of cap space CAN get it done.

the issue isn't really do we have enough. no one thought we "had enough" to get melo, until he made it clear he "wanted" NY.

if rondo publicly says he wants to play for the knicks and isn't going to resign in 2015, ainge has no choice but to take what he can get and say thanks for it as well.

we can absorb what few teams will be willing to. and stop with this "ainge won't help us" nonsense. he clearly had no problem "helping" the nets, who are another divisional rival.

if we take back bogans, Wallace, and lee, that saves them a BOATLOAD in salary, and avoids them losing rondo for nothing should he say he'll only sign an extension with Team A or Team B.

not to mention, rondo's not the guy whose going to sign on for losing for 2 straight years. he'll become a malcontent.

so yea, I could see it being possible yea. my question is - IS HE EVEN HEALTHY?

I'd rather keep what we have and let him come here in 2015 and use the cap space.

There's no pressure for either team to make this deal, and I dont see Boston taking our offer even if rondo pulled a "melo".

They are rebuilding got a few piece there and a ton of draft picks coming up...they dont need our offer.

Ainge raped the Nets...those dudes are all done....he didnt help them at all.

more hyperbole that doesn't really hold any water WHATSOEVER.

NO ONE thought he "raped" the nets (not a really mature term to use but w/e) at the time. everyone thought the nets would be top 3 in the conference.

it's just that pp and kg have sucked donkey nuts since the deal went down.

and how can you seriously say there's no "pressure" for the knicks to make that deal? WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN the last few weeks?

celts may not have pressure that much, knicks absolutely do.

give it a few months though man, rondo will start bitching to ainge about tank city and wanting out.

do I think he'll choose to trade him here? na, not really. is it possible though? yes, without a doubt.

would I do it? na, not really. I'd blow it up b/c I realize what it REALLY takes to win a championship, and I don't think rondo plus melo is enough. nor do I think potato head is a good coach at all. he has that absent stare at times that shows me there's not much going on up there. he probably has one of the lowest iq's of any active coach today, which is kinda sad.

Sometimes you shouldnt let ESPN dictate your thoughts, the Nets are old, I'm only surprised they are this bad, but I thought they would be subpar....but hey no pg, limited KG, Pierce WAS done last year, even Doc said he hoped he'd get revitalized with the change.

And no the Knicks should be in a rush, adding Rondo to this team now doesnt make them a title team...so there is no rush.

Keep your youth, then add rondo AFTER next season.....typical Knicks would trade it all like idiots right now.

Even if Rondo whines, he's still gonna play the way he does...they'll be fine.

first off, who the heck says I follow "espn" or let ANYONE dictate what I personally think. You're just grasping for straws here dude, and it still doesn't change the fact that what you said holds absolutely no water AT ALL. EVERYONE thought the Nets would do well this year...as in Division winners.

second, I didn't say the knicks should get rondo, if you're even bothering to read what I said, I said I'm actually AGAINST it b/c of what you repeated what I said - it doesn't get them a chip.

that said, WE HAVE NO YOUTH.

and third, I sure as hell hope you aren't implying by "idiots" you're nonsensically lumping me into that, b/c I would tell you to watch your tone AND I already said, if you bothered to read, that I'd be against that anyways.

I simply said THEY COULD do it, to which you claim for no reason that they can't. we got melo, we can get rondo. it's as simple as that.

lastly, no, rondo won't be "fine". lol, are you kidding me? that kid is moody as ****, not a chance in hell does he agree to play for them while they're actively taking (and they are, believe me). kid is gone by draft day is what I see. Ainge is stubborn as hell, but he isn't stupid.

And no, that deal you proposed couldnt even get Dragic let alone Rondo, but my point is simple...the Knicks are nowehere near contending and should trade away the youth the do have just for a few more wins, but a likely first round knockout.

Rondo wont do what you're suggesting mainly because he does care what people think about him...he wont pull a Melo.

hungerstrike wrote:
this is all loud but nonetheless weak hyperbole, no offense man.

shumpert, felton, thard jr, murry, 2018 1st, 2nd rounders, and a crapload of cap space CAN get it done.

the issue isn't really do we have enough. no one thought we "had enough" to get melo, until he made it clear he "wanted" NY.

if rondo publicly says he wants to play for the knicks and isn't going to resign in 2015, ainge has no choice but to take what he can get and say thanks for it as well.

we can absorb what few teams will be willing to. and stop with this "ainge won't help us" nonsense. he clearly had no problem "helping" the nets, who are another divisional rival.

if we take back bogans, Wallace, and lee, that saves them a BOATLOAD in salary, and avoids them losing rondo for nothing should he say he'll only sign an extension with Team A or Team B.

not to mention, rondo's not the guy whose going to sign on for tankin for 2 straight years. he'll become a malcontent.

so yea, I could see it being possible yea. my question is - IS HE EVEN HEALTHY?

You're not serious, right? You really think you're getting Rajon Rondo for Shumpert, a 1st, and throw ins? Felton is worthless to the Celtics as I've already said, Hardaway is completely unproven and is nothing more than a throw in, and Murry? Really?

Also, that trade isn't even possible. What cap space are you talking about? We're in cap hell the next two years. We can't take on Rondo, Wallace, Bogans, and Lee unless we give them Amar'e, which in no way is happening.

And I understand your point about not wanting to lose him for nothing, but if they want to trade him, there's going to be better offers out there. Plus you talk about him not wanting to be on a tanking team, but you ignore the fact that this team is a borderline playoff team at best with no flexibility to improve their roster and no young talent besides Shumpert who would be gone in your trade.

I'd LOVE Rondo. But it's not happening.

Edit: I didn't see the score of today's game until now and I take back calling us a borderline playoff team. We're nowhere near that.