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Dagger
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12/3/2013  11:06 AM
ApophisADL wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:This current group is awful especially the PGs like you said but the rotten players will change over time. Get JVG and bring back a winning culture. Let's see some real accountability. Remember when JVG benched all the starters cos they were loafing around and inserted his bench players and sparked the Knicks and they started winning?

I prefer Knicks remain on their win now strategy.

Knicks got Melo and the East is trash.

Knicks have no picks to rebuild anyway.

We're the trash of the trash, we're 3-13...
AUTOADVERT
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12/3/2013  11:09 AM
Dolan drove JVG to quit. I think the knowledgable Knicks fans here can understand his reasoning for quitting. It's the ho-hum fans who fill the Garden and continue to blindly support Dolan who would make comments like JVG quit on us. These are the same people who cheer every Knicks draft pick on draft night etc or boo and the. Cheer when they get on camera
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12/3/2013  11:09 AM
Dagger wrote:We're the trash of the trash, we're 3-13...

We got a 20 million dollar anchor.

20 million buys you a starting SG and PG.
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12/3/2013  11:09 AM
Willing to take hits for his team:

Good times!
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12/3/2013  11:12 AM
gunsnewing wrote:JVG will get better production out of Melo Shumpert jr Tyson and bargnani. He will develop a winning culture with guys playing to their potential. Then we will go after free agents that fit and JVG will take their games to the ext level. Then we will attrack more free agents as we develop a winning culture. Little by little Dolan will learn to step away and will only be seen smiling during big playoff games

Get I get a amen?!

Amen...and hallelujah!
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12/3/2013  11:19 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2013  12:17 PM
Listen I did appreciate Jeff Vandummy don't get me wrong, but I saw right thru him after taking over for Pat Riley. I would give him a chance since he's been watching the league for sometime now as an announcer.

When he went to Houston , he showed us what kind of a coach he was after inheriting Pat Riley's concepts with veteran players.

He talked a good game , but he himself was very limited offensively. If he hired an offensive minded lead assistant I would get excited. But the most important thing would be if he and the GM and Owner were all thinking the same way. If not it's just a marketing hire (coming for the money his Honda Civic is breaking down), like the signing of Amare but from a front office perspective.

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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12/3/2013  11:20 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
Nalod wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:JVG will get better production out of Melo Shumpert jr Tyson and bargnani. He will develop a winning culture with guys playing to their potential. Then we will go after free agents that fit and JVG will take their games to the ext level. Then we will attrack more free agents as we develop a winning culture. Little by little Dolan will learn to step away and will only be seen smiling during big playoff games

Get I get a amen?!

I thought Woodson bought the "brotherhood of man" to the team last year. Got SMOTY out of JR, Melo leading scorer and 54 wins with Felton and Pablo.

Kidds leadership was important but his production fell badly.

And JVG is now the savior?

Your quote is not what dooms the franchise but the fans perception that a change will bring instant change. your quote could be taken for Lenny, For Larry, for MDA..........For Isiah.

JVG had players back in his run. Why would he want to take over this roster?

I never said it will bring instant change. It is a work in progress. Eventually we need a better PG but I guarantee you JVG will get the most out of his stars on both ends of the floor. Start playing respectable basketball, develop a winning foundation and players are going to want to come here. Dolan will back off like he did with Sather because he knows the last time this team was respectable was when JVG was coach. Dolan and JVG butted heads. JVG already admitted his biggest mistake was quitting a good thing last year to Michael Kay. By hiring JVG Dolan is also admitting mistake and in my opinion will back off and trust the coach. Without the official label of GM, JVG will have full autonomy when it comes to getting players and working with Mills who is not an overbearing GM

YOu seem to know things.............

Nothing to argue, its a faith based statement you propose.

"eventually we need a better PG".........No shyt!

If Melo wants it, it could happen. This CAA mafia thing might have more traction than we can imagine. Who are the CAA coaches?
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12/3/2013  11:20 AM
How about all the great coaches that came out of the Riley and then JVG tree?
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12/3/2013  11:35 AM
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GustavBahler wrote:
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GustavBahler wrote:Mixed feelings. At least we would probably start winning again, playing D, but JVG's playoff track record hasn't been great since leaving NY. If he were given control over the roster and it stuck, it could give us the buffer from mgmt and ownership the team desperately needs. Jeff would be smart to ask for it. Might finally put an end to JR having the run of the place. I get the feeling that JVG wouldn't mind if Melo left so he could get a star that plays better D. Again, having veto power over trades or signings could give him the flexibility to build the roster the way he wants.

Van Gundy loves Melo and would likely want to resign him but put him in the role that is needed for him to excel here and grow into a winner.


Now that you mention it, he had said nice things about him. I'm all for Melo coming back if there is some cap room left to get him the help he obviously needs, or a contender can be built in spite of him getting the max. Not if it means the status quo. As others have mentioned, JVG isn't afraid to bench stars. Would be a refreshing change from JR, hell or high water. Can't stand much more of Woodson coddling him.

I admit, every time JVG is commentating on a Knicks game (and I love his commentating), he always seems to go out of his way to praise Melo and rarely blasts him. It's always made me wonder if he wanted back on the Knicks.

Van Gundy will no doubt get the best out of Melo and will want to build a team with him as opposed to around him. Get me a good PG, good complimentary forward, resign Chandler, develop THjr at the 2, and JVG brings it all together.
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12/3/2013  11:35 AM
gunsnewing wrote:How about all the great coaches that came out of the Riley and then JVG tree?

That's a long long list. Of course, none of them were retained here. Not only assistant coaches, but players that learned from those guys. Mark Jackson, Monty Williams, etc.
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12/3/2013  12:17 PM
I was driving when I heard JVG admit to TMKS about regretting quitting the Knicks.

For those that haven't heard it...
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/46245/van-gundy-i-regret-quitting-knicks
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12/3/2013  12:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2013  12:31 PM
playa2 wrote:Listen I did appreciate Jeff Vandummy don't get me wrong, but I saw right thru him after taking over for Pat Riley. I would give him a chance since he's been watching the league for sometime now as an announcer.

When he went to Houston , he showed us what kind of a coach he was after inheriting Pat Riley's concepts with veteran players.

He talked a good game , but he himself was very limited offensively. If he hired an offensive minded lead assistant I would get excited. But the most important thing would be if he and the GM and Owner were all thinking the same way. If not it's just a marketing hire (coming for the money his Honda Civic is breaking down), like the signing of Amare but from a front office perspective.

I couldn't have said this any better. I was wondering why everybody was so high on JVG. What I remember was a coach that inherited veteran players that already knew how to play defense, and a coach that lacked an offensive system. Basically a short white version of Woodson. I remember falling asleep watching the knicks plenty of times, just to wake up to a loud chant of Defense, with a final score of 66-69

But I will give JVG some credit for his knowledge of the game...Listening to him as an announcer proves that he has grown a lot as far as NBA knowledge of the game. Plus he now demands more respect than the average Woody type coach.

I think over the years following JVG, we either hire a defensive coach, without an offensive assistant. Or an offensive coach, without a deffensive assistant. Whenever all of the stars finally align, the knicks will be back on top again. Long enough for Dollan to knock us back down.

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12/3/2013  12:51 PM
Moonangie wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:JVG will get better production out of Melo Shumpert jr Tyson and bargnani. He will develop a winning culture with guys playing to their potential. Then we will go after free agents that fit and JVG will take their games to the ext level. Then we will attrack more free agents as we develop a winning culture. Little by little Dolan will learn to step away and will only be seen smiling during big playoff games

Get I get a amen?!

Amen...and hallelujah!

Second the Amen and can I get a witness?

I will heartily vote for and endorse anything that gets guns even mildly happy about Melo. No matter what!

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12/3/2013  12:53 PM
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playa2 wrote:Listen I did appreciate Jeff Vandummy don't get me wrong, but I saw right thru him after taking over for Pat Riley. I would give him a chance since he's been watching the league for sometime now as an announcer.

When he went to Houston , he showed us what kind of a coach he was after inheriting Pat Riley's concepts with veteran players.

He talked a good game , but he himself was very limited offensively. If he hired an offensive minded lead assistant I would get excited. But the most important thing would be if he and the GM and Owner were all thinking the same way. If not it's just a marketing hire (coming for the money his Honda Civic is breaking down), like the signing of Amare but from a front office perspective.

I couldn't have said this any better. I was wondering why everybody was so high on JVG. What I remember was a coach that inherited veteran players that already knew how to play defense, and a coach that lacked an offensive system. Basically a short white version of Woodson. I remember falling asleep watching the knicks plenty of times, just to wake up to a loud chant of Defense, with a final score of 66-69

But I will give JVG some credit for his knowledge of the game...Listening to him as an announcer proves that he has grown a lot as far as NBA knowledge of the game. Plus he now demands more respect than the average Woody type coach.

I think over the years following JVG, we either hire a defensive coach, without an offensive assistant. Or an offensive coach, without a deffensive assistant. Whenever all of the stars finally align, the knicks will be back on top again. Long enough for Dollan to knock us back down.

LIFE OF A 40 YR OLD KNICK FAN

True to an extent, but you can't deny that Allan Houston, LJ, KT and Camby were not 'inherited defensive players'. He did help improve some players defense.

Also In 1999 he (although to be honest, he was forced into it) changed his style to suit the new players once Ewing went down.
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12/3/2013  1:14 PM
I think Woodson is a good coach and don't want to see him axed just to "shake things up". That said, JVG is on my short list of coaches I'd rather see on the bench. Would love it if this had any legs to it.

How long until we get an I'm Coming Home video?
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12/3/2013  1:57 PM
We might have to wait til the offseason because JVG has too much respect for coaches to replace them in season. I say do it now. Why prolong the inevitable
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12/3/2013  3:23 PM

I loved JVG and the work he put in. Loved he got the best of Riles and only lost one series!!
I loved he grabbed Mournings leg, defied DOlan and took the team to the finals and enacted a two year extension.

While he "quit" on the team, he was honest about it. He was cooked and did not hold on being a zombie coach.

I would be very happy to see him return. I fear expectations from fans might not be up to snuff. Guns depiction of him as the second coming along with limited trade/draft assets might hamper any coach let alone a defensive legend.

I don't miss the 78-75 low scoring games. Its a different game now and while he is a great announcer, I hope he could live up to the expectations of the fans and be effective in Dolans house where he'd be muzzled.

Why would the man who has a lot to say want to work for a team who muzzles its coach?
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12/3/2013  3:28 PM
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12/3/2013  3:35 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2013  3:36 PM
And autonomy. It's going to be a process in rebuilding the roster with 2way players. Make take 3-5yrs. May take a few smart draft picks and signings but JVG will get whoever is in uniform to play hard for 4 quarters for 82+ games. Re-establish a winning culture. Make the Garden a place where teams fear coming to play not a place where you look forward to coming in and having a huge night.

JVG will make sure his stars lead by example
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12/3/2013  3:39 PM
I was a big fan of JVG. Defensive minded coach and knows how to use a weapon on offense without ISOlation offense. I would welcome him back.
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