Thing with this team is that the story repeats itself, one that isn't entirely the coach's fault and one that is: 1, our guard play is atrocious. 2, our defense is nonexistant.

Our guards have gone from solid to mediocre to flat out embarrassing in two seasons. If you know that at this point, why not trying new alternatives like playing Toure and giving more time to Hardaway. You could also look to sign someone from DLeague but yeah, the Chris Smith fiasco is still in play. How wonderful is that working out, huh?

But the defense, where just dont even know where to be... I mean, we dont have a defensive team so cut the sarcastic "we cant be a top defensive team" bs. But even mediocre defense would be an improvement. And while we are at it, offense is pathetic. No flow and at this point guys play like they just met. And the Melo hero ball is sure lovely.

Look, Woodson would be overachieving if this team had the start it had last season. But the way this team looks on the court, so disorganized, so lost, not motivated enough unless they play a good team an dthen not disciplined enough to hold forth when they are close in the last minutes, thwn being run out of the floor by an "inferior team". Playing the way we are and having our record while not showing any improvement on the things a coach could improve really call for his head.

Am I delussional in thinking the next coach will save the season? No. But it really seems that time has run out for Woodson's regime. I loved the way he approached his veteran team when he arrived and the way they overachoeved in the regular.season. But i fthe playoffs werent reasons to be concerned, this putrid start certainly is.

(Sorry for typos but my cellphone makes it hard to go back and fix them.)

Bonn1997 wrote:Well the advanced stats were predicting a sub .500 season. Maybe you just had and still have inaccurate expectations.

Yeah, but even they weren't anticipating 3-11 or whatever the heck our record is!

Clean wrote:Berman just posted something that seems pretty accurate. If you think about it Shump was playing hard even after all the trade rumors. The time he started looking lost is after the foul at the end of the Pacers game. Berman brought up the point that after the game Woody instantly through Shump under the bus and complimented the ref on making the right call. Then later on he gets fined 25k for defending Melo. Now that I think about it this could have been the last straw for Shump. Berman also brought up the point that even though the call was correct the refs usually never call it and that it took multiple looks and multiple angles of slow motion replays to see the touch.

Q. Knicksfan - The roster is flawed but to the point of a 3-11 start after last season?

A. "You are what your record says you are"

Knicksfan - Tyson is a good player but you can win games without him to have a better record than 3-11.

Huh?

Please restate that. Or read Frank Isola instead:

That’s also a sign of leadership. Woodson is doing everything possible to keep the Knicks unified despite a 3-11 start and a seven-game losing streak heading into Denver on Friday. He has one of the toughest jobs in the NBA considering the roster and owner he has to work with.

Because he can’t help himself, Garden chairman James Dolan is Woodson’s greatest obstacle. He’s a meddling, behind-the-scenes micro manager who had too much say in assembling the roster and capped it off by telling Woodson he expects to win a title this season. Last week, in the most ridiculous and embarrassing Q&A you’ll ever read, Dolan declared that he likes this season’s team better than last season’s group that won 54 games and advanced to the second round of the playoffs.

You know what’s funny about that? On Wednesday, Woodson, Anthony and even J.R. Smith casually mentioned this current Knicks team is nothing like last season’s team in terms of talent, accountability and togetherness. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone — except, of course, the oblivious owner.

We all had to see this one coming. Smith had major knee surgery in July and was banned the first five games of the season due to a drug suspension. Stoudemire and Shumpert also had knee surgeries over the summer while Chandler, the only consistent defender the Knicks have, broke his leg in the second week of the season.

Anthony has played well but he set a bad tone by addressing his free agency early and often during the preseason. Raymond Felton has been average, Metta World Peace looks old, Pablo Prigioni looks banged up and Andrea Bargnani may be the MVP of the first quarter but he’s rarely found the last 36 minutes.

The Knicks have all the reasons and the volatile personalities to come apart at the seams. Perhaps that will happen if the losing continues. Anything is possible with an underperforming roster and an owner who suddenly thinks he’s Red Auerbach.

Woodson’s back is definitely up against the wall. But he’s still in charge of the locker room and he’s not going down without a fight.

misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Channels Bill Parcells

Q. Knicksfan - The roster is flawed but to the point of a 3-11 start after last season?

A. "You are what your record says you are"

Knicksfan - Tyson is a good player but you can win games without him to have a better record than 3-11.

Huh?

Please restate that. Or read Frank Isola instead:

That’s also a sign of leadership. Woodson is doing everything possible to keep the Knicks unified despite a 3-11 start and a seven-game losing streak heading into Denver on Friday. He has one of the toughest jobs in the NBA considering the roster and owner he has to work with.

Because he can’t help himself, Garden chairman James Dolan is Woodson’s greatest obstacle. He’s a meddling, behind-the-scenes micro manager who had too much say in assembling the roster and capped it off by telling Woodson he expects to win a title this season. Last week, in the most ridiculous and embarrassing Q&A you’ll ever read, Dolan declared that he likes this season’s team better than last season’s group that won 54 games and advanced to the second round of the playoffs.

You know what’s funny about that? On Wednesday, Woodson, Anthony and even J.R. Smith casually mentioned this current Knicks team is nothing like last season’s team in terms of talent, accountability and togetherness. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone — except, of course, the oblivious owner.

We all had to see this one coming. Smith had major knee surgery in July and was banned the first five games of the season due to a drug suspension. Stoudemire and Shumpert also had knee surgeries over the summer while Chandler, the only consistent defender the Knicks have, broke his leg in the second week of the season.

Anthony has played well but he set a bad tone by addressing his free agency early and often during the preseason. Raymond Felton has been average, Metta World Peace looks old, Pablo Prigioni looks banged up and Andrea Bargnani may be the MVP of the first quarter but he’s rarely found the last 36 minutes.

The Knicks have all the reasons and the volatile personalities to come apart at the seams. Perhaps that will happen if the losing continues. Anything is possible with an underperforming roster and an owner who suddenly thinks he’s Red Auerbach.

Woodson’s back is definitely up against the wall. But he’s still in charge of the locker room and he’s not going down without a fight.

Nice read, but answering your "huh?", many people are focusing on Chandler's absence as an excuse for our terrible play and while it is contributing, it shouldnt result in such a dreadful record.

But yeah, this team is amazingly different than last season even if we have most of the core. Some of it, agree or not, is a huge difference in Woodson's coaching and team preparation.

This team probably never had a chance to be a top team, but they shouldnt be in the bottom while looking like they have never played ball before.

Knicksfan wrote:

misterearl wrote:The Answer Man Channels Bill Parcells

Q. Knicksfan - The roster is flawed but to the point of a 3-11 start after last season?

A. "You are what your record says you are"

Knicksfan - Tyson is a good player but you can win games without him to have a better record than 3-11.

Huh?

Please restate that. Or read Frank Isola instead:

That’s also a sign of leadership. Woodson is doing everything possible to keep the Knicks unified despite a 3-11 start and a seven-game losing streak heading into Denver on Friday. He has one of the toughest jobs in the NBA considering the roster and owner he has to work with.

Because he can’t help himself, Garden chairman James Dolan is Woodson’s greatest obstacle. He’s a meddling, behind-the-scenes micro manager who had too much say in assembling the roster and capped it off by telling Woodson he expects to win a title this season. Last week, in the most ridiculous and embarrassing Q&A you’ll ever read, Dolan declared that he likes this season’s team better than last season’s group that won 54 games and advanced to the second round of the playoffs.

You know what’s funny about that? On Wednesday, Woodson, Anthony and even J.R. Smith casually mentioned this current Knicks team is nothing like last season’s team in terms of talent, accountability and togetherness. It’s so painfully obvious to everyone — except, of course, the oblivious owner.

We all had to see this one coming. Smith had major knee surgery in July and was banned the first five games of the season due to a drug suspension. Stoudemire and Shumpert also had knee surgeries over the summer while Chandler, the only consistent defender the Knicks have, broke his leg in the second week of the season.

Anthony has played well but he set a bad tone by addressing his free agency early and often during the preseason. Raymond Felton has been average, Metta World Peace looks old, Pablo Prigioni looks banged up and Andrea Bargnani may be the MVP of the first quarter but he’s rarely found the last 36 minutes.

The Knicks have all the reasons and the volatile personalities to come apart at the seams. Perhaps that will happen if the losing continues. Anything is possible with an underperforming roster and an owner who suddenly thinks he’s Red Auerbach.

Woodson’s back is definitely up against the wall. But he’s still in charge of the locker room and he’s not going down without a fight.

This team probably never had a chance to be a top team, but they shouldnt be in the bottom

tj23 wrote:Woodson's defensive strategy is fine, the players just won't run it!! Bunch of lazy bums. He's definitely lost this team. Still, I blame these sorry ass players...

Yeah, it would look a lot better if we had Chandler and we had a PG who is capable of being just slightly below average on defense.

nixluva wrote:You can drive a truck thru the holes in Woody's coaching. This is why he gets schooled in the playoffs. He is just being fully exposed now. He won a ton of games by being lucky! When he took over for MDA that was a good team being sabotaged by Melo. Proof is in the fact that the team was playing well, then Melo comes back and the life went out, MDA resigns and instantly, magically Melo is playing super hard. Then next season Woody has plans to make team more post oriented but injury changed bus plan and lucky he had Kidd make him look like a genius. Now we know Woody had nothing to do with that. Team hasn't sniffed playing like last year despite having MOST of the same players and some good continuity he could've relied on. Then don't forget the playoffs! What other coach gets ripped by another coach like Vogel did? Not cool but he couldn't contain his derision for Woody's lack of skills. We all saw it and questioned it too! If the team isn't super hot shooting he has no answers!!!

Nixluva - does the term "one trick pony" mean anything to you?

Day after day you repeat the same thing in different order. Where are your facts?

Do you really blame a coach whose players shoot under 40 per cent?

We are near last in the league in three point shooting, where last season we led the league.

What changed?