[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Cavs talking Dion Waiters for Shumpert, what you guys think?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 3 of 5 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4  5 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
BigDaddyG
Posts: 39935
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049
11/27/2013  9:00 PM
Melonoma wrote:LMAO if you think the Cavs would trade Waiters for Shumpert + anyone on our roster + whatever picks we have to offer. This isn't 2k.

Knick fans overrate their own players more than any other team. Shumpert isn't looked at as an extremely valuable piece by other teams. We had one shot to unload him for a better player in Nash and we blew that.

You can blame ESPN for this particular rumor. If it's true, you have to wonder how much of a cancer Waiters is.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
AUTOADVERT
BigDaddyG
Posts: 39935
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049
11/27/2013  9:02 PM
Finestrg wrote:I don't know man. He's strong, I like his game but his habitually low shooting % gives me pause (even the 1 year in college). Not sure there's much difference between Waiters and Dominique Jones (nbadraft.net gave this comparison). Jones might be the better player pound for pound; he's definitely more PG oriented, a better passer and has a better handle. Might be just as good an offensive player as well (he was at South Florida). Jones just needs a full-time NBA commitment and PT somewhere...Not sure D. Jones is even in the league at this point -- does Dallas still have him?? We could go get that guy for nothing probably and save Shump for something more substantial (reclamating him back to respectability in the meantime). Jermaine Taylor is another 6'5"-ish 2G that I've always been pretty high on. Again, if we want this type of player--an instant offense type 2G in the 6'4" range--go get Taylor and save Shump for something else, or just build him back up.

Curious -- what do Cavs fans think of this proposed deal? Anyone have a pulse of what Cleveland fans think of this?


He looks like an above average shooter according to his shot chart: http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=203079 He just can't seem to finish at the rim. Kinda similar to the same problems Shump has scoring.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
NardDogNation
Posts: 27405
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555
11/27/2013  9:03 PM
The kids a cancer. I don't want him other than to leverage his potential for someone that can help us e.g. Aaron Afflalo and/or Paul Millsap. I think we'd be kidding ourselves though if we thought Shumpert could get Waiters but then again, Cleveland's front office is filled with idiots that outclass even some of the guys we've had in the past.
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
11/27/2013  9:04 PM
Wow the clev. Gm stinks
RIP Crushalot😞
NardDogNation
Posts: 27405
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555
11/27/2013  9:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2013  9:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Deng or Turner would be great pick ups if their teams are looking to move them. Can't imagine the Bulls or Sixers would move either guy to NY for a Shump package.

Deng, I see because Shumpert is essentially a poor man's version of him with the potential to improve, at a fraction of the cost and capable of playing the 2, which allows Jimmy Butler to play his natural position. Turner? Not a chance; he's always been better and is playing too well now.
NardDogNation
Posts: 27405
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555
11/27/2013  9:10 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2013  9:20 PM
Vmart wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Only if we get Jarret Jack in return also.

I agree with this. Send Jr. Smith to Philly for Turner too.

Why would this make any sense for Philly: Add a veteran that is a bit of a headcase to a team that is looking to rebuild? Makes no sense.
NardDogNation
Posts: 27405
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555
11/27/2013  9:12 PM
skeng wrote:I have a question for the CBAxperts - if we traded for Turner, would he be a restricted FA or what? Would we be able to even pay him?

No, we would not retain his bird rights. We'd only keep those Bird Rights if we had him on the team for 3 seasons. Since he's entering his last contract year, we'd have to compete against the market for him.
NardDogNation
Posts: 27405
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555
11/27/2013  9:16 PM
Melonoma wrote:LMAO if you think the Cavs would trade Waiters for Shumpert + anyone on our roster + whatever picks we have to offer. This isn't 2k.

Knick fans overrate their own players more than any other team. Shumpert isn't looked at as an extremely valuable piece by other teams. We had one shot to unload him for a better player in Nash and we blew that.

Thankfully we blew that (the Nash trade). Imagine how nightmarish it would be to have him on the roster right now, unable to play and committed to a $9 million per year deal for 2 more seasons.
NardDogNation
Posts: 27405
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 5/7/2013
Member: #5555
11/27/2013  9:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2013  9:24 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Wow the clev. Gm stinks

I sometimes wonder if it's the owner moreso than the GM. I thought Ferry was similarly God awful when he was with them but he doesn't seem to be doing too bad in Atlanta, although it's nothing to be impressed about. Meanwhile, Dan Gilbert wreaks of a rich douchebag ******* with an undeserved confidence. I think a lot of their moves reflect that aura because there should've been no reason for them to think that they could compete and add a big ticket veteran like Jarret Jack and terrible contracts like Andrew Bynum and Earl Clark.
BigDaddyG
Posts: 39935
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049
11/27/2013  9:25 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Wow the clev. Gm stinks

I sometimes wonder if it's the GM or moreso than owner. I thought Ferry was similarly God awful but he doesn't seem to be doing too bad in Atlanta, although it's nothing to be impressed about.


Other than the Bynum signing and possibly Bennett, I don't think he's been that horrible.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
fitzfarm
Posts: 25165
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/28/2010
Member: #3285
11/27/2013  9:31 PM
If Cleveland offered that trade ny would be stupid not to do it waiters can be a star next to melo. Shump has a long way to go.
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
11/27/2013  9:35 PM
fitzfarm wrote:If Cleveland offered that trade ny would be stupid not to do it waiters can be a star next to melo. Shump has a long way to go.

I would do it if nothing else of relevance is available. I would not do a deal just to do one but shumpert looks like he needs a change and so does waiters. It might be a win win

RIP Crushalot😞
playa2
Posts: 34922
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 5/15/2003
Member: #407
11/27/2013  9:38 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2013  9:48 PM
Dion Waiters: "Without a doubt, I really believe that [I’ll eventually be the best shooting guard in the NBA]. This year, I’m going to show a lot of people who doubted me and still doubt me. I’m going to show them. And I don’t need praise and all of that. I just want to be respected. I’m coming. That’s all I have to say. I’ve taken my work ethic to another level and I feel as though I still have something to prove. So, watch out."

He and Melo had the green light when they were stars at Syracuse, neither one can play defense and want the ball in their hands.
The two would be combustible relationship. Waiters claimed that Kyrie Irving has the ball in his hands too much, and he and Tristan Thompson don't want to pass him the ball unless he's wide open. LOL

JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
fitzfarm
Posts: 25165
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/28/2010
Member: #3285
11/27/2013  9:47 PM
Watching him at cuse and now in Cleveland he's a special talent why the knock on defense he looks better on that side of the ball then any knick right now... I think waiters would flourish in nyc and be a star. If we could some how get Lin back a Lin waiters melo amare Tyson or Andre would be fun to watch
Vmart
Posts: 31800
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
11/27/2013  9:51 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Vmart wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Only if we get Jarret Jack in return also.

I agree with this. Send Jr. Smith to Philly for Turner too.

Why would this make any sense for Philly: Add a veteran that is a bit of a headcase to a team that is looking to rebuild? Makes no sense.

Supposedly they were rumored to be offering JR during free agency. But then I can see Philly just laughing in the NYK face with that and mine because Turner is a very good player and JR is well you all know.
fitzfarm
Posts: 25165
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/28/2010
Member: #3285
11/27/2013  9:52 PM
Is there a way to pair waiters with Irving in a deal hahaha
knickstorrents
Posts: 21121
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 1/23/2010
Member: #3050
Hong Kong
11/27/2013  9:53 PM
The trade is a lateral move. We'd be getting more talent in exchange for more headcase. The Knicks can't groom talent, remember that. We need high character guys who can also play.
Rose is not the answer.
Vmart
Posts: 31800
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 5/23/2002
Member: #247
USA
11/27/2013  9:56 PM
playa2 wrote:Dion Waiters: "Without a doubt, I really believe that [I’ll eventually be the best shooting guard in the NBA]. This year, I’m going to show a lot of people who doubted me and still doubt me. I’m going to show them. And I don’t need praise and all of that. I just want to be respected. I’m coming. That’s all I have to say. I’ve taken my work ethic to another level and I feel as though I still have something to prove. So, watch out."

He and Melo had the green light when they were stars at Syracuse, neither one can play defense and want the ball in their hands.
The two would be combustible relationship. Waiters claimed that Kyrie Irving has the ball in his hands too much, and he and Tristan Thompson don't want to pass him the ball unless he's wide open. LOL

He will see a lot if the same here Melo doesn't pass and JR doesn't do that essentially he would be in the same predicament.
fitzfarm
Posts: 25165
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/28/2010
Member: #3285
11/27/2013  9:59 PM
If they offer waiters for shump mills has to say yes it's a no brainer
CrushAlot
Posts: 59764
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/25/2003
Member: #452
USA
11/27/2013  10:01 PM
Vmart wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
Vmart wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Only if we get Jarret Jack in return also.

I agree with this. Send Jr. Smith to Philly for Turner too.

Why would this make any sense for Philly: Add a veteran that is a bit of a headcase to a team that is looking to rebuild? Makes no sense.

Supposedly they were rumored to be offering JR during free agency. But then I can see Philly just laughing in the NYK face with that and mine because Turner is a very good player and JR is well you all know.

I don't think Philly wants to tie up cap space so I don't know if they take JR. I think that was why they didn't give Turner a qualifying offer. He is playing great. I know he was really upset about Jrue being traded.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
Page 3 of 5 ‹ Previous 1  2  3  4  5 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Cavs talking Dion Waiters for Shumpert, what you guys think?
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy