RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)

We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't work

Spot on.

GustavBahler wrote:Novak is posting career lows in every category. Bargs is shooting better from 3 this season.

that's not his fault. it's our offense and idiot coach casey.

I miss Eddy Curry.

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)

We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't work

Spot on.

Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.

You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...

jrodmc wrote:I miss waiting for Gallo to come off IR.

Denver is 8-6 in a much tougher conf. They're doing all right, but they do miss him.

raven wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)

We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't work

Spot on.

Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.

You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...

Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.

GustavBahler wrote:

raven wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)

We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't work

Spot on.

Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.

You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...

Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.

But with Novak on the court that extra defend cant leave.

melo was not doubled nearly as much last year.

knickscity wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

raven wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)

We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't work

Spot on.

Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.

You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...

Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.

melo positions himself in the easiest spot to double....the elbow since there wont ever be a clear passing lane.

But with Novak on the court that extra defend cant leave.

melo was not doubled nearly as much last year.

No one is doubling Melo away from the rim with any frequency this season either. You guys keep saying that just the threat of Novak on the team is enough of a reason to keep him. Not buying it. Novak is very lucky to drain a 3 with someone in his face in a half court set. I count one time last season where I saw him drain a jumper from inside the arc. He can't put the ball on the floor and he's a lousy defender. Bargs puts up 20/10 with 4 blocks, does a great job on Griffin, does a better job in the 4th, but you're still talking about Novak, which some of you will change the subject to draft picks and keep changing the rationale for trading Novak.

gunsnewing wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

raven wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

RonRon wrote:Using Novak as a SPREAD the floor type player just DOESN'T WORK
All the opponents DEFENSE has to do is put the man 1v1 on him and NEVER CHEAT or HELP when they cannot recover in time to contest his shot, and he will be locked down
Our DEF constantly helps even when we face shooters that have been great shooters the entire career and yet continue to let them get hot because our philosophy on DEF requires HELP and constant switching, like recently on players like Kevin Martin (is this on the coach or players)

We all noticed the difference between the play of Novak and many others from Lin initiating our offense versus Melo doing it
Yet our coach continues to stick with this philosophy on OFFENSE that doesn't work along with his DEFENSIVE lineups and philosophies that are completely flawed and also don't work

Spot on.

Not at all.
If a man can't help that means the threat job is done.
You can't double Melo using Novak's man, which put a new constraint in the defense equation.
Melo being unguardable 1on1 is another one. Put too many of those constraints on the floor at the same time and defense can't adjust.

You guys just keep at looking a the tree in front of the forest...

Silly. Most coaches won't have you leave any man open consistently from one to twelve, and Melo usually doesn't get double teamed unless he's under the rim and about to shoot, which at that point makes no difference if Novak is open or not because Melo isn't passing the ball. Most of Novak's buckets came in transition with his defender trailing, not because Melo was double teamed.

That's a good point. Novak was rendered useless last season for that very reason. The ball moved under Dantoni and Lin and Novak lit the Garden up

So we should have kept MDA and not promoted the man who in one season as coach has done a better job than MDA since before or after he left Phoenix?

We can cry about Novak and we should because if we could have kept Novak we would have more 3 pointers. Now for this team now the can't shoot. I repeat they can't shoot so it doesn't matter if they move the ball.