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Finestrg
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11/27/2013  12:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2013  1:03 PM
Vmart wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Finestrg wrote:^ I agree we need help at the point, even agree a youngster like Pressey could help, but there's no way I'm dealing for a guy like Pressey when I know for a fact I could get something similar w/o giving up anything. Look into signing Jeremy Pargo -- try to get him out of his Russian contract. Sign Curtis Jerrells. Sign Seth Curry out of the DL (another great game last night btw for Santa Cruz -- 23 & 10 with 3 steals)... I like all 3 of these guys better than Pressey anyway---they're all bigger and more talented imho.. Pressey could help but why trade anything for a guy like him?? Ainge added Pressey for nothing right after the draft concluded -- why can't we do the same type of thing?? And if none of these options worked out, KEEP LOOKING!!! There are still options out there. Start with Toure Murry and go from there!!!! Detroit grabbed Payton Siva late in the draft (56) -- nobody thought that kid was an NBA PG and look at him now--he's contributing...Look into making a small deal with Houston for Isaiah Canaan...Where's Pierre Jackson? New Orleans drafted him in the middle of the 2nd round but I think they gave up on him. Playing in France I believe...Where's Sherron Collins these days??? Michael Loyd Jr??? Come up with a board of about 20 PGs that might be available and go from the top down until we zero in on someone....That's what I'd be looking at right now -- coming up with my own Phil Pressey...In the meantime, build Shump back up (Woody should make it a personal mission now---get this kid touches, run plays for him, instill confidence!!) and look for help elsewhere. There are better options. Not interested in dealing our best young player while his value is at an all-time low.

Then rinse and repeat the same method with the frontcourt -- play Cole Aldrich!!! See if he could be anything close to one of the Plumlee brothers (I think he could---I remember what I saw in college). Sign Kevin Jones or maybe a Malcolm Thomas out of the DL...Where's Jamelle Hagins?? That guy could add shot-blocking and rebounding. He's like a young K-mart. Go look at his Delaware clips--real polished looking NBA-ready game...Jeremy Tyler, provided he's healthy, should be signed as soon as he proves to be healthy...Look to improve in the middle too -- Marcus Cousin is out there and I don't know what to tell you guys -- the kid's good. One of the best 7 footers we could possibly get at the moment. How 'bout Hassan Whiteside for the rim protection alone? Or Ty Walker or Jordan Henriquez?? There's a ton of minor improvements we could make right now. Instead we're sitting on our hands just throwing away regular season games. The goal should be -- shoring up any and all weaknesses and getting back to .500 asap and go from there.

I like the idea of Seth Curry. Pressey is a pure PG who has great passing skills.

This guy is showing a real under control, smooth floor game. He's doing everything for Santa Cruz (4-0 with him at the helm). Distributing the ball well and knocking down his shots (a lot of his damage is coming from 2-pt range too btw). I don't think he's some one trick pony 3-pt shooter. He's showing a fairly complete game. Playing at a high level. I think he may be a lot closer to his brother than people realize. He really had an excellent year for Duke last season. Good enough to get drafted imo. I would've made the move for him yesterday. I mean we wanted Steph Curry in the draft -- could his little brother be the next best thing? Can you imagine if we grabbed this kid and he put up a 20-10 game and we won and continued winning??? Wow...It could be Linsanity all over again man! The worst we're looking at here is a very useful 40%+ 3-pt shooter to rotate at both our guard positions. Best case scenario -- we uncover an all-star level talent here. Take the chance. Come hard and heavy -- he's probably comfortable where he is, playing for GS's affiliate waiting for a callup to play with his brother. If I'm Mills I see a great opportunity here -- I'd offer the kid the most money I could and I'd guarantee him mins, maybe even a starting role. I'd also sell him on the Garden, the Mecca and what it'd be like if he were responsible for a turnaround this season. Go from there. This could be a big move -- a Linsanity-type move. I'm telling you...

That's the type of thing the this organization is afraid of a Linsanity situation. Antoher player they would develop and if he exploded then they would have to deal with his demand in FA. Our main player and Woody don't go for that kind of stuff. That means Woody has to be more creative and he doesn't want any of that, and Melo would have to share the ball with his teammates and that can't happen under his watch.

The solution to the whole 'if a player blows up here, he's gonna bolt' is to offer 2-years guaranteed. Should've mentioned that above. Teams have all learned from prior experience and are now offering 2nd round draft picks and undrafted free agents they like & consider keepers 2 yr deals. Maybe we go a step further to get Curry and offer a 3 yr guaranteed deal if that's even possible (that could further protect us from having to deal with a Jeremy Lin type free agent situation, although players in this category may not want that 3rd year as it would put them 1 year further away from a potential big payday). As for Melo, I know what you're saying--he didn't appear to fully embrace Lin at the time esp. after the 1st couple of games but I'm sure, based on how bad his team's looked thusfar, how hard he's had to work in these games, all the negativity etc. he'd welcome another similar success story this time around with open arms.

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11/27/2013  12:54 PM
Finestrg wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Finestrg wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Finestrg wrote:^ I agree we need help at the point, even agree a youngster like Pressey could help, but there's no way I'm dealing for a guy like Pressey when I know for a fact I could get something similar w/o giving up anything. Look into signing Jeremy Pargo -- try to get him out of his Russian contract. Sign Curtis Jerrells. Sign Seth Curry out of the DL (another great game last night btw for Santa Cruz -- 23 & 10 with 3 steals)... I like all 3 of these guys better than Pressey anyway---they're all bigger and more talented imho.. Pressey could help but why trade anything for a guy like him?? Ainge added Pressey for nothing right after the draft concluded -- why can't we do the same type of thing?? And if none of these options worked out, KEEP LOOKING!!! There are still options out there. Start with Toure Murry and go from there!!!! Detroit grabbed Payton Siva late in the draft (56) -- nobody thought that kid was an NBA PG and look at him now--he's contributing...Look into making a small deal with Houston for Isaiah Canaan...Where's Pierre Jackson? New Orleans drafted him in the middle of the 2nd round but I think they gave up on him. Playing in France I believe...Where's Sherron Collins these days??? Michael Loyd Jr??? Come up with a board of about 20 PGs that might be available and go from the top down until we zero in on someone....That's what I'd be looking at right now -- coming up with my own Phil Pressey...In the meantime, build Shump back up (Woody should make it a personal mission now---get this kid touches, run plays for him, instill confidence!!) and look for help elsewhere. There are better options. Not interested in dealing our best young player while his value is at an all-time low.

Then rinse and repeat the same method with the frontcourt -- play Cole Aldrich!!! See if he could be anything close to one of the Plumlee brothers (I think he could---I remember what I saw in college). Sign Kevin Jones or maybe a Malcolm Thomas out of the DL...Where's Jamelle Hagins?? That guy could add shot-blocking and rebounding. He's like a young K-mart. Go look at his Delaware clips--real polished looking NBA-ready game...Jeremy Tyler, provided he's healthy, should be signed as soon as he proves to be healthy...Look to improve in the middle too -- Marcus Cousin is out there and I don't know what to tell you guys -- the kid's good. One of the best 7 footers we could possibly get at the moment. How 'bout Hassan Whiteside for the rim protection alone? Or Ty Walker or Jordan Henriquez?? There's a ton of minor improvements we could make right now. Instead we're sitting on our hands just throwing away regular season games. The goal should be -- shoring up any and all weaknesses and getting back to .500 asap and go from there.

I like the idea of Seth Curry. Pressey is a pure PG who has great passing skills.

This guy is showing a real under control, smooth floor game. He's doing everything for Santa Cruz (4-0 with him at the helm). Distributing the ball well and knocking down his shots (a lot of his damage is coming from 2-pt range too btw). I don't think he's some one trick pony 3-pt shooter. He's showing a fairly complete game. Playing at a high level. I think he may be a lot closer to his brother than people realize. He really had an excellent year for Duke last season. Good enough to get drafted imo. I would've made the move for him yesterday. I mean we wanted Steph Curry in the draft -- could his little brother be the next best thing? Can you imagine if we grabbed this kid and he put up a 20-10 game and we won and continued winning??? Wow...It could be Linsanity all over again man! The worst we're looking at here is a very useful 40%+ 3-pt shooter to rotate at both our guard positions. Best case scenario -- we uncover an all-star level talent here. Take the chance. Come hard and heavy -- he's probably comfortable where he is, playing for GS's affiliate waiting for a callup to play with his brother. If I'm Mills I see a great opportunity here -- I'd offer the kid the most money I could and I'd guarantee him mins, maybe even a starting role. I'd also sell him on the Garden, the Mecca and what it'd be like if he were responsible for a turnaround this season. Go from there. This could be a big move -- a Linsanity-type move. I'm telling you...

That's the type of thing the this organization is afraid of a Linsanity situation. Antoher player they would develop and if he exploded then they would have to deal with his demand in FA. Our main player and Woody don't go for that kind of stuff. That means Woody has to be more creative and he doesn't want any of that, and Melo would have to share the ball with his teammates and that can't happen under his watch.

The solution to the whole 'if a player blows up here, he's gonna bolt' is to offer 2-years guaranteed. Should've mentioned that above. Teams have all learned from prior experience and are now offering 2nd round draft picks and undrafted free agents they like & consider keepers 2 yr deals. Maybe we go a step further to get Curry and offer a 3 yr guaranteed deal if that's even possible (that could further protect us from having to deal with a Jeremy Lin type free agent situation). As for Melo, I know what you're saying--he didn't appear to fully embrace Lin at the time esp. after the 1st couple of games but I'm sure, based on how bad his team's looked thusfar, how hard he's had to work in these games, all the negativity etc. he'd welcome another similar success story this time around with open arms.

He is a Diva dude. Don't let him fool you its all about him that is what got him big contracts and accolades as the best scorer in the game. The dumbest shyt I ever heard. His unwillingness to change has been noticed on two occasions as a Knick now. He didn't change for MDA and when Lin came aboard you could sense his displeasure with Lin and all the press he was getting he felt he was losing the team to Lin.

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11/27/2013  1:17 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/27/2013  1:18 PM
I dunno man -- if Melo truly ever felt like that, I don't know if he feels that way anymore. I think he knows this team is in serious trouble. He's out there playing at a very high level right now (somewhere close to 25 & 10 output) and he's getting basically no help. He's w/o his starting 5 & 1; JR Smith's been terrible, Bargs has been bad, Amar'e's looks like a broken toy possibly beyond repair, K-Mart's nowhere near a high level player anymore, Shump's regressed so bad he didn't do a thing in 30 mins the other night etc. -- I think he'd welcome the help any way he could get it at this point.
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11/27/2013  3:17 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Tyson Chandler to New Orleans for Tyreke Evans--Evans is a bad fit for them and we can make him our PG.
Bargani to Houston for Asik

Watching NO vs GS last night and the GS announcers mentioned that Houston/NO had discussed Asik for Ryan Anderson.

I'm not a Tyreke Evan's fan (used to be but no longer) and he's definitely NOT A PG. He is great at getting to the hoop and that is where he stops being a PG. Awful defender as well or at least an uninterested defender.

Bargs for Asik - yes I would do that.

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11/27/2013  4:19 PM

Discuss!

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11/27/2013  4:26 PM
Houston turned down Asik for Anderson. They're going to let everyone walk and go after Love to put next to Harden and Dwight.
Thought of two trades to get us younger

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