GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

Nothing beats an eye test in basketball. When you watch him play, his talent is obvious. There was a time when Jermaine O'Neal was putting up paltry numbers before being traded and look what he turned into. In my opinion, Derrick Williams can have an Evan Turner like emergence if given an opportunity.

Agreed. There's no way we could get this guy for Shumpert OR THJ -- neither guy has looked good for us at all so far. For both maybe...And someone else said it -- maybe Felton as well to make the salaries work.

Would appreciate it if you guys would answer what I asked Eny.

Laterally speaking, I think he is lacking but still no Melo. He has exceptionally long arms and seems to understand how to play defense within his physical limitations. Because of that, I think he is a better positional defender than man defender ala Gallo. Those "limitations" might be a bit overstated though because I thought he did a solid job against Melo who only shot 38.1% that game and only got to the line 5 times that game in 44 minutes of play (Derrick played 21 minutes). Because of that length and girth, I think he's perfect for what we do defensively since he can seamlessly switch to the 4 position and spell Melo from the banging periodically. His promise though will be in his ability to score the basketball and rebound from his position. He's developed into a good shooter and had an M.O. in college for being a solid midrange player. I think his success really hinges on his ability to capitalize on this trait. If he does, we'd have ourselves a steal.

Thanks Doc, but I'm still trying to understand the dropoff in production. Why has he fallen out of favor with mgmt? It might be a red flag or a red herring.

It can be but it is not necessarily something to give pause to. Sometimes, you need a flyswatter instead of a sledgehammer to get things done. Their core is established with Ricky Rubio, Kevin Love, Kevin Martin and Big Pekovic. All they need are specialists around that, which Corey Brewer (defense and backdoor threat), Chase Budinger (a floor spacer) and Dante Cunningham (energy guy with a solid jump shot) are.

If I were a GM it would be something I would definitely want to know. I know Shump isn't an all star but I don't want to trade him unless we get measurably better. Minny is playing tonite against Indy at 7, going to see if I can catch him in action. Wish we hasn't given up on Diogu, that way we could have used Shump to get better at PG instead of shoring up our frontcourt.

I understand your concern about Williams but if Shumpert is traded, I prefer that its for another young guy that can mean something for us now and in the future. PG is definitely a concern but I don't see a guy out there that is available and that is also worth Shumpert. Hopefully we can get Jameer Nelson though, who is a lateral move but still an upgrade for us. I'm getting to get lampooned for saying this but, I'd be willing to include Hardaway if they were willing to give up Aaron Afflalo in the deal.

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Wiiliams averages a little over 2 rebounds in 15 minutes with 4-5 pts. Don't see how this is going to make us better.

Nothing beats an eye test in basketball. When you watch him play, his talent is obvious. There was a time when Jermaine O'Neal was putting up paltry numbers before being traded and look what he turned into. In my opinion, Derrick Williams can have an Evan Turner like emergence if given an opportunity.

Agreed. There's no way we could get this guy for Shumpert OR THJ -- neither guy has looked good for us at all so far. For both maybe...And someone else said it -- maybe Felton as well to make the salaries work.

Would appreciate it if you guys would answer what I asked Eny.

Laterally speaking, I think he is lacking but still no Melo. He has exceptionally long arms and seems to understand how to play defense within his physical limitations. Because of that, I think he is a better positional defender than man defender ala Gallo. Those "limitations" might be a bit overstated though because I thought he did a solid job against Melo who only shot 38.1% that game and only got to the line 5 times that game in 44 minutes of play (Derrick played 21 minutes). Because of that length and girth, I think he's perfect for what we do defensively since he can seamlessly switch to the 4 position and spell Melo from the banging periodically. His promise though will be in his ability to score the basketball and rebound from his position. He's developed into a good shooter and had an M.O. in college for being a solid midrange player. I think his success really hinges on his ability to capitalize on this trait. If he does, we'd have ourselves a steal.

Thanks Doc, but I'm still trying to understand the dropoff in production. Why has he fallen out of favor with mgmt? It might be a red flag or a red herring.

It can be but it is not necessarily something to give pause to. Sometimes, you need a flyswatter instead of a sledgehammer to get things done. Their core is established with Ricky Rubio, Kevin Love, Kevin Martin and Big Pekovic. All they need are specialists around that, which Corey Brewer (defense and backdoor threat), Chase Budinger (a floor spacer) and Dante Cunningham (energy guy with a solid jump shot) are.

If I were a GM it would be something I would definitely want to know. I know Shump isn't an all star but I don't want to trade him unless we get measurably better. Minny is playing tonite against Indy at 7, going to see if I can catch him in action. Wish we hasn't given up on Diogu, that way we could have used Shump to get better at PG instead of shoring up our frontcourt.

I understand your concern about Williams but if Shumpert is traded, I prefer that its for another young guy that can mean something for us now and in the future. PG is definitely a concern but I don't see a guy out there that is available and that is also worth Shumpert. Hopefully we can get Jameer Nelson though, who is a lateral move but still an upgrade for us. I'm getting to get lampooned for saying this but, I'd be willing to include Hardaway if they were willing to give up Aaron Afflalo in the deal.

I agree another young player with an upside would be nice if we're confident that he has a good chance of panning out. I haven't seen much of him this season but if we could work a deal for Shump and the Mavs Gael Mekel (if he looks as good now as he did in SL) that would be great. Has very good court vision, the kind of PG we need IMO, and maybe someone to build with.

NardDogNation wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/25/report-derrick-williams-for-luc-richard-mbah-a-moute-trade-in-advanced-discussions/

If all that is involved is luc richard mbah a moute, I'll be pissed. That deal would be the epitome of "low risk-high reward" for the Kings.

deal is done....i'm pissed so don't feel bad.