nixluva wrote:All I know is Howard and Hibbert were frustrated as hell with Bargs defending them. Haven't seen that from a Knicks Center in a while. People just love to hate on Bargs cuz he's an easy target, but dude has been trying harder and he's not the Knicks problem this year.

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You guys know that just by chance the opposing player will sometimes have bad nights. Citing 2 bad performances by the opposing C in 11 games doesn't reveal anything.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Watch the video Ramtour.

You guys know that just by chance the opposing player will sometimes have bad nights. Citing 2 bad performances by the opposing C in 11 games doesn't reveal anything.

You do have to admit that neither of these guys are comfortable coming out on the perimeter to guard Bargs...Also early in the game, the lane was open so Carmelo took advantage of a George in the post..Melo had 9 offensive rebounds, could it be those numbers are higher because of Bargs presence??..Can metrics quantify that???

You didn't watch the video did you? Melo's performance has been awful and so has the whole Knicks' team whenever Bargs is in the game. The only time Melo is playing well is when Bargs exits.

I watch the games not just snippets...Bargs was only one of two Knicks with a positive (+,-)...The Knicks started out well with Bargs in the game so I'm not sure if u took those into account..Novak was and is probably the worst defender in the league yet u were a huge supporter...How do u reconcile that??

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Watch the video Ramtour.

You guys know that just by chance the opposing player will sometimes have bad nights. Citing 2 bad performances by the opposing C in 11 games doesn't reveal anything.

You do have to admit that neither of these guys are comfortable coming out on the perimeter to guard Bargs...Also early in the game, the lane was open so Carmelo took advantage of a George in the post..Melo had 9 offensive rebounds, could it be those numbers are higher because of Bargs presence??..Can metrics quantify that???

You didn't watch the video did you? Melo's performance has been awful and so has the whole Knicks' team whenever Bargs is in the game. The only time Melo is playing well is when Bargs exits.

I watch the games not just snippets...Bargs was only one of two Knicks with a positive (+,-)...The Knicks started out well with Bargs in the game so I'm not sure if u took those into account..Novak was and is probably the worst defender in the league yet u were a huge supporter...How do u reconcile that??

It looks like you're seeing and/or remembering only what you want to. Explain why Melo is shooting in the 30s FG% when Bargnani is on the court but he's at his normal 45% as soon as Bargs get off the court.
Start a different thread if you want to talk about Novak.

Thing is Bargs is a PnP guy and so it's best to actually run sets that will use him that way in the mid range and out by the 2pt line. I still haven't seen them run an effective 2 man with Melo and Bargs as I think they should. That kind of play should be successful since teams would have to really pick their poison in that situation. That to me is a coaching issue.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Watch the video Ramtour.

You guys know that just by chance the opposing player will sometimes have bad nights. Citing 2 bad performances by the opposing C in 11 games doesn't reveal anything.

You do have to admit that neither of these guys are comfortable coming out on the perimeter to guard Bargs...Also early in the game, the lane was open so Carmelo took advantage of a George in the post..Melo had 9 offensive rebounds, could it be those numbers are higher because of Bargs presence??..Can metrics quantify that???

You didn't watch the video did you? Melo's performance has been awful and so has the whole Knicks' team whenever Bargs is in the game. The only time Melo is playing well is when Bargs exits.

I watch the games not just snippets...Bargs was only one of two Knicks with a positive (+,-)...The Knicks started out well with Bargs in the game so I'm not sure if u took those into account..Novak was and is probably the worst defender in the league yet u were a huge supporter...How do u reconcile that??

It looks like you're seeing and/or remembering only what you want to. Explain why Melo is shooting in the 30s FG% when Bargnani is on the court but he's at his normal 45% as soon as Bargs get off the court.
Start a different thread if you want to talk about Novak.

Could you explain it? I just watch the games. I don't see the implied lack of chemistry there. I think Melo needs to share with Bargs a bit more. Not many guys at any height hit the mid range shot like Bargs.

But those two really have little to do with why the team is losing.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Watch the video Ramtour.

You guys know that just by chance the opposing player will sometimes have bad nights. Citing 2 bad performances by the opposing C in 11 games doesn't reveal anything.

You do have to admit that neither of these guys are comfortable coming out on the perimeter to guard Bargs...Also early in the game, the lane was open so Carmelo took advantage of a George in the post..Melo had 9 offensive rebounds, could it be those numbers are higher because of Bargs presence??..Can metrics quantify that???

You didn't watch the video did you? Melo's performance has been awful and so has the whole Knicks' team whenever Bargs is in the game. The only time Melo is playing well is when Bargs exits.

I watch the games not just snippets...Bargs was only one of two Knicks with a positive (+,-)...The Knicks started out well with Bargs in the game so I'm not sure if u took those into account..Novak was and is probably the worst defender in the league yet u were a huge supporter...How do u reconcile that??

It looks like you're seeing and/or remembering only what you want to. Explain why Melo is shooting in the 30s FG% when Bargnani is on the court but he's at his normal 45% as soon as Bargs get off the court.
Start a different thread if you want to talk about Novak.

Too small a sample size to draw any definitive conclusion...I doubt very much Bargs presence has anything to do with it...Harden another atrocious defender that u love so much...I guess you care about only two guys playing defense in this league, Melo and Bargs...

hahaha. Nice try to switch the topic. If you want to the discuss Harden's defense (and you might be surprised by some of the data), then see comment on Novak.
Regarding the Melo-Bargs FG% stat, you're right that it's too small a sample to make future predictions, but you shouldn't have asked about the metrics quantifying Barg's impact on the team if this was your concern.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Watch the video Ramtour.

You guys know that just by chance the opposing player will sometimes have bad nights. Citing 2 bad performances by the opposing C in 11 games doesn't reveal anything.

You do have to admit that neither of these guys are comfortable coming out on the perimeter to guard Bargs...Also early in the game, the lane was open so Carmelo took advantage of a George in the post..Melo had 9 offensive rebounds, could it be those numbers are higher because of Bargs presence??..Can metrics quantify that???

You didn't watch the video did you? Melo's performance has been awful and so has the whole Knicks' team whenever Bargs is in the game. The only time Melo is playing well is when Bargs exits.

I watch the games not just snippets...Bargs was only one of two Knicks with a positive (+,-)...The Knicks started out well with Bargs in the game so I'm not sure if u took those into account..Novak was and is probably the worst defender in the league yet u were a huge supporter...How do u reconcile that??

It looks like you're seeing and/or remembering only what you want to. Explain why Melo is shooting in the 30s FG% when Bargnani is on the court but he's at his normal 45% as soon as Bargs get off the court.
Start a different thread if you want to talk about Novak.

Too small a sample size to draw any definitive conclusion...I doubt very much Bargs presence has anything to do with it...Harden another atrocious defender that u love so much...I guess you care about only two guys playing defense in this league, Melo and Bargs...

hahaha. Nice try to switch the topic. If you want to the discuss Harden's defense (and you might be surprised by some of the data), then see comment on Novak.
Regarding the Melo-Bargs FG% stat, you're right that it's too small a sample to make future predictions, but you shouldn't have asked about the metrics quantifying Barg's impact on the team if this was your concern.

Bonn where can I find the Melo-Bargs stat..That is a fantastic find..Melo 47% in the first half of games this season and 38% in the second half..He is playing 40 mins per..Seems to be wearing down..But u say when he plays with Bargs, he shoots 30s%?..He shoots overall 41.6%, so its not so far fetched to believe that is possible...What is the exact percentage??

Again, watch the video. It goes through all this.

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Watch the video Ramtour.

You guys know that just by chance the opposing player will sometimes have bad nights. Citing 2 bad performances by the opposing C in 11 games doesn't reveal anything.

You do have to admit that neither of these guys are comfortable coming out on the perimeter to guard Bargs...Also early in the game, the lane was open so Carmelo took advantage of a George in the post..Melo had 9 offensive rebounds, could it be those numbers are higher because of Bargs presence??..Can metrics quantify that???

You didn't watch the video did you? Melo's performance has been awful and so has the whole Knicks' team whenever Bargs is in the game. The only time Melo is playing well is when Bargs exits.

I watch the games not just snippets...Bargs was only one of two Knicks with a positive (+,-)...The Knicks started out well with Bargs in the game so I'm not sure if u took those into account..Novak was and is probably the worst defender in the league yet u were a huge supporter...How do u reconcile that??

It looks like you're seeing and/or remembering only what you want to. Explain why Melo is shooting in the 30s FG% when Bargnani is on the court but he's at his normal 45% as soon as Bargs get off the court.
Start a different thread if you want to talk about Novak.

Too small a sample size to draw any definitive conclusion...I doubt very much Bargs presence has anything to do with it...Harden another atrocious defender that u love so much...I guess you care about only two guys playing defense in this league, Melo and Bargs...

hahaha. Nice try to switch the topic. If you want to the discuss Harden's defense (and you might be surprised by some of the data), then see comment on Novak.
Regarding the Melo-Bargs FG% stat, you're right that it's too small a sample to make future predictions, but you shouldn't have asked about the metrics quantifying Barg's impact on the team if this was your concern.

Bonn where can I find the Melo-Bargs stat..That is a fantastic find..Melo 47% in the first half of games this season and 38% in the second half..He is playing 40 mins per..Seems to be wearing down..But u say when he plays with Bargs, he shoots 30s%?..He shoots overall 41.6%, so its not so far fetched to believe that is possible...What is the exact percentage??

Again, watch the video. It goes through all this.

It's a subjective video...For a guy who is shooting 41.6%, saying he shoot less the 40% while playing alongside one individual is not really ground breaking...It's nit picking..I'm sure u could find many other teammates that this stat applies to as well... What I think is more important is that Melo shoots 47% in the first half this season and 38% in the second...I think he is playing to many minutes...I don't want to take this thread in another direction...