gunsnewing wrote:^yea which means we will never see a championship because we will never develop the next big NBA star

The Knicks will not see a championship until a commitment is made to the draft. By that I mean a tank job to get the best player in the league. The team has to be committed in developing the player too. This organization stunts the growth of players.

I will give you a hypothetical scenario. If you we're in the draft and were slated to picked 6 overall and the Knicks were the 6th team on the board. I'd bet that most here would pray the Knicks don't pick you.

Better commitment has to be made to develop players to reach their potential. Eventually Shumpert will become a wasted talent.

Dagger wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea Steph Curry is another great fit. Sucks we missed out

I prefer Kyrie, Curry's 3pt shots would bother me on nights they aren't falling. Kyrie has a more diverse game, I don't know if he's better but he can do more.

I agree Dagger, Irving has the potential to be a championship contender with other great guys as a second option or shared #1. Steph has to be the #1, and if he doesn't stay in beast mode can suck the ability to win out of the team. There's only been a handful of guys to play the game, HAVE to be the #1 option all the time, and still win rings. Maybe Curry's one of them, but if I had a choice I'd choose Kyrie.

James Dolan is the devil.

knicks1248 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:not only is Love NOT what we need to put next to Melo,

Love would NEVER come to New York to begin with and he's far less likely to come here to play with Melo.

Of course, I could be wrong and Kevin Love could be a total moron.

How do yo know love wouldn't want to play next to melo? and why wouldn't it work

Rondo and Love is exactly what we need, either or would be nice, both would be JACK POT.

I don't think this roster is a mess, i think when you play 10 to 12 guys you have a tougher time to build chemistry both in your starting line up, and your bench.

Add to the fact you don't have any proven leaders, and no one is even playing at there level or above, yeah....then it looks messy. Lack of stability always bring chaos

How do I know?

I don't. I can't produce a study or a lab analysis that tells you for sure he will not come.

But why do I say he won't?

Because I've been alive for the last 30 or so years and I've been living and breathing and not living under a rock. I know I'm young, I know I'm a punk, but 30 ain't nothing to sneeze at.

You learn to understand some things, you learn that there are different levels of reality.

Just take my word for it, I guess.

You really think melo is going to be playing at the level he's playing now for the 2015/16 season, if your in your 30's, then you know you get wiser as you get older.

Woodson will not be coaching the knicks..In other words the way you look at things now, will not be remotely the same in 12 months. There is light at the end of the tunnel, you just got to look hard..

sometimes it's hard to see the light,

i have to enter my happy place

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I can see the David Lee comparisons. Good players but less cornerstones than Melo. We wouldn't want Melo and Lee as our 2 best players so I can see not wanting Love either

Lee is a pale imitation of Love IMO. Love's a more physical player, doesn't shy away from contact the way that Lee does.He's also more clutch in the 4th quarter. Would be great to have him play along side Melo if he's still playing at the same level in 2015.

+1. I disagree about Love being a fit with Melo but everything else you said is spot on IMO. Lee can't hold a torch to Love but they are cut from the same cloth.

Dagger wrote:

playa2 wrote:

GodSaveTheKnicks wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:My dream Knicks team would involve Kyrie Melo Shumpert THJ Tyler but that's all it is a dream

My dream Knicks team would be run by someone other than James Dolan. That guy will find a way to screw things up.

If people found out James Dolan aka Isiah Thomas was doing this sabotaging ON PURPOSE they wouldn't believe. For such is the American Sports Fan that wants to believe the best in everyone.

Because a championship wouldn't increase the value of the Knicks...yes much better to attract negative attention having people complaining about ticket prices because the product on the floor sucks! The Average American sports fan doesn't want to believe in the best in everyone, the average American sports fan just has more common sense than playa2.

Did you not know that negative publicity has made people rich !

Isn't there still a waiting list for season tickets at MSG for the knicks, and you think Dolan is afraid of losing fans ? FOR THAT I LAUGH AT YOU !

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I can see the David Lee comparisons. Good players but less cornerstones than Melo. We wouldn't want Melo and Lee as our 2 best players so I can see not wanting Love either

Lee is a pale imitation of Love IMO. Love's a more physical player, doesn't shy away from contact the way that Lee does.He's also more clutch in the 4th quarter. Would be great to have him play along side Melo if he's still playing at the same level in 2015.

What about defensively? Melo is below average and he is in his prime. At 32?

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I can see the David Lee comparisons. Good players but less cornerstones than Melo. We wouldn't want Melo and Lee as our 2 best players so I can see not wanting Love either

Lee is a pale imitation of Love IMO. Love's a more physical player, doesn't shy away from contact the way that Lee does.He's also more clutch in the 4th quarter. Would be great to have him play along side Melo if he's still playing at the same level in 2015.

+1. I disagree about Love being a fit with Melo but everything else you said is spot on IMO. Lee can't hold a torch to Love but they are cut from the same cloth.

I believe they compliment each other because they both can score under the rim or from well beyond the arc. Let's whoever is coaching mix things up.

They seem to have the same sweet spots and are ball dominant. In theory they should work together but in theory, Kobe and Dwight should've done so as well. Defensively, those guys would be awful even though I think Love is not that bad at the 4 spot. Either way, having two stars on the team is not a bad problem to have. We could always trade one, if they don't work out.

Dwight is a first class diva and never really committed himself to making it work in LA. Melo has shown he's willing to share the rock if he's passing to players who are putting pts on the board. Love can do that. Then again I thought that Marbury/Crawford might work. They both play with fire but stay in control for the most part. Who is coaching them could be the deciding factor on whether or not it would work.

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I can see the David Lee comparisons. Good players but less cornerstones than Melo. We wouldn't want Melo and Lee as our 2 best players so I can see not wanting Love either

Lee is a pale imitation of Love IMO. Love's a more physical player, doesn't shy away from contact the way that Lee does.He's also more clutch in the 4th quarter. Would be great to have him play along side Melo if he's still playing at the same level in 2015.

+1. I disagree about Love being a fit with Melo but everything else you said is spot on IMO. Lee can't hold a torch to Love but they are cut from the same cloth.

I believe they compliment each other because they both can score under the rim or from well beyond the arc. Let's whoever is coaching mix things up.

They seem to have the same sweet spots and are ball dominant. In theory they should work together but in theory, Kobe and Dwight should've done so as well. Defensively, those guys would be awful even though I think Love is not that bad at the 4 spot. Either way, having two stars on the team is not a bad problem to have. We could always trade one, if they don't work out.

Dwight is a first class diva and never really committed himself to making it work in LA. Melo has shown he's willing to share the rock if he's passing to players who are putting pts on the board. Love can do that. Then again I thought that Marbury/Crawford might work. They both play with fire but stay in control for the most part. Who is coaching them could be the deciding factor on whether or not it would work.

Agreed. Woodson is not an elite coach, which is why I find it to be so weird that he ended up with the job when Rick Adelman and Phil Jackson were available. I hope this is addressed, if we actually look to build upon what we have. Personally, I think Rick Carlisle would be perfect for this team and might be available soon if the Mavs suck.

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Yea I can see the David Lee comparisons. Good players but less cornerstones than Melo. We wouldn't want Melo and Lee as our 2 best players so I can see not wanting Love either

Lee is a pale imitation of Love IMO. Love's a more physical player, doesn't shy away from contact the way that Lee does.He's also more clutch in the 4th quarter. Would be great to have him play along side Melo if he's still playing at the same level in 2015.

+1. I disagree about Love being a fit with Melo but everything else you said is spot on IMO. Lee can't hold a torch to Love but they are cut from the same cloth.

I believe they compliment each other because they both can score under the rim or from well beyond the arc. Let's whoever is coaching mix things up.

They seem to have the same sweet spots and are ball dominant. In theory they should work together but in theory, Kobe and Dwight should've done so as well. Defensively, those guys would be awful even though I think Love is not that bad at the 4 spot. Either way, having two stars on the team is not a bad problem to have. We could always trade one, if they don't work out.

Dwight is a first class diva and never really committed himself to making it work in LA. Melo has shown he's willing to share the rock if he's passing to players who are putting pts on the board. Love can do that. Then again I thought that Marbury/Crawford might work. They both play with fire but stay in control for the most part. Who is coaching them could be the deciding factor on whether or not it would work.

Agreed. Woodson is not an elite coach, which is why I find it to be so weird that he ended up with the job when Rick Adelman and Phil Jackson were available. I hope this is addressed, if we actually look to build upon what we have. Personally, I think Rick Carlisle would be perfect for this team and might be available soon if the Mavs suck.

Good choice for Carlisle. He's come a long way as far as how he relates to players,and he's a very good tactician on the fly. Something we haven't had in the playoffs going back many coaches.

Carlisle would be good choice but remember his best coach was Woodson's best coach Kidd. They both have done very little since Kidd.