tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.

I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.

With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.

I guess you don't know your knick history and the whole instance which jettisoned Spree. The whole Don Chaney era was about hard working/no bone head players.

Marbury played a bit for MDA in PHX so he had a taste for the surley one. Marbury lost his talent and became impossible to coach.
Nash was brilliant. NashBury was never gonna happen. Two differnt type players and roster construction.

I'm one to always hold the Coach responsible. regardless of roster and personal, its his or her to make it work and produce win. IMO, MDA didn't do that…he didn't even try..at least..it didn't seem like he did.

I'm not comparing their personality or leadership…I'm strictly speaking basketball capabilities. MDA offense depended on a PG who can push the ball up the court, kick it out to the open man and able to hit an open jump shot. Everything Marbury was able to do. I'm not saying Marbury was better than Nash, I'm just saying that the Knicks may be better off today if that relationship was better….

It took more than that.. nate could have done those things.. It took a PG who was a real extension of MDA on the court.. Nash was that, and add to it, nash was super efficient, with an elite level of skills.. shooting, passing, etc....

C'mon man…I know we're not crazy about Marbury around here but lets not put him on the same level as N.Robinson.

I believe because of all the crap that went on while Marbury was here, people forgot how great of a player he was and thats a shame.
A lot of it he brought on himself and I'm not disputing that…all I'm saying that, as a Coach, MDA should have tried his HARDEST to make that relationship work and I don't believe he did.

As much as I didn't like the drafting of Gallo, he and Marbury would have been amazing together.

Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.

I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.

With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.

LOOOOOOOL marbury was major suckage.

Swishfm3 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Donnie Walsh did do a terrible job. Anyone could have cleaned up this roster by attaching draft picks too it. Thats easy.

I hate that he hired MDA…but the biggest crime he committed was not drafting a legit PG so MDA can run is hack system. He set that man up for failure. He set this team up for failure.

With that being said…I still believe that MDA would have been somewhat successful here if he would have just made amends with Marbury. Say what you want about the man, but he would have ran MDA offense just as well as Nash did in PHX.

I guess you don't know your knick history and the whole instance which jettisoned Spree. The whole Don Chaney era was about hard working/no bone head players.

Marbury played a bit for MDA in PHX so he had a taste for the surley one. Marbury lost his talent and became impossible to coach.
Nash was brilliant. NashBury was never gonna happen. Two differnt type players and roster construction.

I'm one to always hold the Coach responsible. regardless of roster and personal, its his or her to make it work and produce win. IMO, MDA didn't do that…he didn't even try..at least..it didn't seem like he did.

I'm not comparing their personality or leadership…I'm strictly speaking basketball capabilities. MDA offense depended on a PG who can push the ball up the court, kick it out to the open man and able to hit an open jump shot. Everything Marbury was able to do. I'm not saying Marbury was better than Nash, I'm just saying that the Knicks may be better off today if that relationship was better….

It took more than that.. nate could have done those things.. It took a PG who was a real extension of MDA on the court.. Nash was that, and add to it, nash was super efficient, with an elite level of skills.. shooting, passing, etc....

C'mon man…I know we're not crazy about Marbury around here but lets not put him on the same level as N.Robinson.

I believe because of all the crap that went on while Marbury was here, people forgot how great of a player he was and thats a shame.
A lot of it he brought on himself and I'm not disputing that…all I'm saying that, as a Coach, MDA should have tried his HARDEST to make that relationship work and I don't believe he did.

As much as I didn't like the drafting of Gallo, he and Marbury would have been amazing together.

Who put him on the same level as nate? all I am saying is that there were a lot of guys who could just push the ball if that is all it took to have a team like he did in Phoenix and achieve what they did in a tough west... remember Dantoni had Duhon putting up good numbers, but not the same results as nash.

Marbury could put up good numbers, he didn't need dantoni for that.. but when it came to running his system which took other intangibles, marbury wasn't the guy...

As much as I didn't like the drafting of Gallo, he and Marbury would have been amazing together.

I thought marbury and KVH were doing well together.. bottom line, marbury didn't like KVH, here in NY... I am not sure how gallo would have done with marbury, I am not sure It would have been amazing.. now nash and gallo IMO would have been amazing... marbury was good, a damn good talent, but lacked the leadership skills and overall IQ to be the kind of guard we saw in nash.....

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:Teflon Donnie....Can't believe guys are defending Walsh for taking Rautins over Stephenson. Never mind what Walsh might have donw in terms of clearing some of the cap, can't deny he blundered on taking the local phenom. Why not take a flyer on the kid in the late second round? Anyone that watched Rauntins (sp) play at the 'Cuse knew dude was not NBA material. That pick was a throw a way. I remember screaming at my television for us to take Stephenson....

when you have nothing but years and years of overpaid low-character players thanks to low-character dolan and low-character thomas then you need to right the ship by NOT bringing in more low-character guys like stephenson had the reputation for. stern said the knicks were not a model of intelligent management, and he was being very very kind when he said so. that said, walsh did his best to resurrect the character of the franchise... which, for those without significant memory loss, was part of gis directive, in addition to clearing out the garbage contracts.

he was given about two-years before being shown the door in the usual dysfunctional manner that dolan is known for, that ****ing scumbag.

Nalod wrote:1. Teflon donnie? All GM's make these blunders. Lando was a greap pick up! Isiah made some big blunders, then DLee falls in your lap. Lance turned out great but I really think he never would have developed here. It took how many years? Good for him and Indy, they invested and it paid off. Usually we trade these picks like grapes anyway!

2. Jr. as low character guy on knicks? Yeah, I guess when desporate Dolan comprmised on him. Good call out!

The problem with Walsh is that he consistently made these blunders during his tenure in New York. I don't recall a draft where we managed to get the best player available at the position we were selecting. I also can't think of a major trade that Walsh made that he definitely got the better of or even improved the team, save the Carmelo Anthony trade. Stephenson is part of the long list of mistakes Walsh has made, which should be pointed out since we now have a fuller picture of his performance. Isiah regularly gets lampooned (as he should) but he drafted a two time, 20-10 all star (David Lee), traded for another 25 year old 20-10 franchise player (Zach Randolph), traded for a perennial 6th man of the year player (Jamal Crawford), among other decent moves. Why does Walsh get a pass?