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DrAlphaeus
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11/8/2013  7:30 PM
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That's the beauty of the "free" internet, provided of course, you don't count the cost of your time, your data plan, utility bill. [Related to your comment about shelling out cash to read a UK board post.]

A violent movie as a work of art. Movies are measured by what? Primarily box office, correct? If it bombs, it's a bomb, if it does well, well then, it's proving my point that movies are about entertainment for money, not displays at the Lourve, right? [Related to misterearl's comment about the movie in question being a a work of art]

Movie reviews that link the ills of the past to Miley Cyrus dance routines to prove that it's really still 1857. Miley Cyrus probably doesn't possess the mental faculties to fully envision wanting to own a pet, let alone have fantasies about slaveholding. The gratuitous connections of anything to racism and bigotry to prove racism and bigotry grates after awhile. If you want to live in the past to constantly validate the stupidity of others, what's the point? [Related to "unforgettable movie scenes" drawing lines to "Miley Cyrus"]. My mom was black. She had to leave Alabama because she kicked in a white boy's azz at the tender age of 12. Am I bitter about that? No. She became an extremely successful professional and spent the majority of her life helping others who were in prison. Should I focus the rest of my life on the fact someone drove a two by four full of nails through her dad's body? Maybe I should make a movie about it. See the point?

Dirty Laundry - smelly crap sells, including gratuitous violence, blood spatters, gore, etc. Let's see how realistic we can make a .57 caliber musket wound look in glorious blu-ray. Let's recreate a flogging and get nice, focused shots of human innards falling on the ground, and maybe being eaten by rabid dogs who then get their heads cut off. Let's film people getting their kneecaps shot off. In living color. [Related to the value of teaching history lessons to the ignorant by pointless focus on disgusting violence].

My deal here is that I read other people's posts and respond without necessarily directly quoting what I'm responding to. My bad.

That said, the AnswerMan (aka misterearl) still retains the greatest level of my respect. I just happen to strongly disagree.
And I could and probably am, very much mistaken.
Apologies in advance.

I appreciate you fleshing that out, jrod. That is a powerful story about your family, so I respect where you are coming from with this. Hey, maybe you should make a movie about it... I have no idea if you are any good at storytelling or filmmaking, of course. Those parts -- along with the acting, set design, etc. -- are where the art and the craft come into something that is obviously also a mass-marketed, commercial enterprise. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Movie industry success is judged by box office and home video receipts, sure. Certain films still can rise to the level of great art, though. Not all art has to fit in in a museum, IMHO.

I haven't seen the movie myself, will probably wait until it gets to Blu-Ray or Netflix so there is less of an economic investment -- and a pause button in case I can't deal with the emotional investment. There is a lot of pointless violence in American media, can't argue with you there. But I don't know if violence would be pointless in this case. The stories of Jesus or Hamlet are popular bloody tales long before the invention of photography, but the point in both isn't simply in the violence, but used to discuss sacrifice and hubris, respectively.

The director of this film Steve McQueen is a Grenadian-British fine artist turned filmmaker, so it's intriguing a quintessentially American story be told by a British director with a British lead. Perhaps there is a perspective they are bringing to the table that is more insightful or poignant than if it was a Spike Lee joint (no disrespect to Knicks Fan #1).

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11/8/2013  7:46 PM
Jrod - to share an unvarnished personal experience requires poise and courage. You sir, have demonstrated both.

Like the parable of 12 Years, which resonates with many people of all colors, The Answer Man is thankful that your family survived. You must have inherited the courage from your fearless Mom.

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11/8/2013  8:30 PM
My point is why don't we see MOVIES repeatedly reliving the massacres and atrocities of other minorities other than African Americans ?

It seems to be something Hollywood was told to provoke, an engrave these negative stereotypes into the minds of AMERICANS that we are 2nd class or 3rd class citizens by history. Less than human, treated like animals.

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11/8/2013  8:42 PM
playa2 wrote:My point is why don't we see MOVIES repeatedly reliving the massacres and atrocities of other minorities other than African Americans ?

It seems to be something Hollywood was told to provoke, an engrave these negative stereotypes into the minds of AMERICANS that we are 2nd class or 3rd class citizens by history. Less than human, treated like animals.

I don't know playa... maybe you have a selective memory. I just watched "Hawaii" with Julie Andrews on PBS the other day, the story of Christian missionaries in the Hawaiian islands. There is a scene where hundreds of people are dying from the measles they caught from them. There have been a number of Holocaust movies: Schindler's List and Life Is Beautiful come to mind. Apocalypto was about the fall of the Middle American cultures to the Spanish. Every other historical Chinese kung fu movie has shows the brutality they suffered under the Japanese when they were considered the "Sick Man of Asia". And while no longer in fashion, Cowboys and Indians was a Hollywood staple... and you remember who typically was the protagonist and who was the antagonist in those. And before Django, was there any Hollywood movie about slavery since Amistad?

There isn't shame in being enslaved. The shame is in being the enslaver.

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11/8/2013  9:14 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2013  9:16 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:My point is why don't we see MOVIES repeatedly reliving the massacres and atrocities of other minorities other than African Americans ?

It seems to be something Hollywood was told to provoke, an engrave these negative stereotypes into the minds of AMERICANS that we are 2nd class or 3rd class citizens by history. Less than human, treated like animals.

I don't know playa... maybe you have a selective memory. I just watched "Hawaii" with Julie Andrews on PBS the other day, the story of Christian missionaries in the Hawaiian islands. There is a scene where hundreds of people are dying from the measles they caught from them. There have been a number of Holocaust movies: Schindler's List and Life Is Beautiful come to mind. Apocalypto was about the fall of the Middle American cultures to the Spanish. Every other historical Chinese kung fu movie has shows the brutality they suffered under the Japanese when they were considered the "Sick Man of Asia". And while no longer in fashion, Cowboys and Indians was a Hollywood staple... and you remember who typically was the protagonist and who was the antagonist in those. And before Django, was there any Hollywood movie about slavery since Amistad?

There isn't shame in being enslaved. The shame is in being the enslaver.

It's the image I'm talking about, repeatedly displaying multiple ways black Americans are portrayed AS 3RD CLASS CITIZENS OR IN HUMAN.

I'm taling about in this video technology age we live in today, Roots - Roots another generation, Queen , Amistad, Django ,Miss Jane Pittman, Mandingo, Color Purple, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Drum,Gone with the wind, Jefferson in Paris, Beloved , The birth of a Nation.

FOR AN EXAMPLE^

Name any other race that has been portrayed so poorly on the big screen in America, out side of native Americans in cowboy movies (That's just one port-rail repeated)

Also I'm talking NBC, CBS , ABC OR THE BIG SCREEN AND CABLE TV, most people don't watch PBS.

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11/8/2013  10:16 PM
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:My point is why don't we see MOVIES repeatedly reliving the massacres and atrocities of other minorities other than African Americans ?

It seems to be something Hollywood was told to provoke, an engrave these negative stereotypes into the minds of AMERICANS that we are 2nd class or 3rd class citizens by history. Less than human, treated like animals.

I don't know playa... maybe you have a selective memory. I just watched "Hawaii" with Julie Andrews on PBS the other day, the story of Christian missionaries in the Hawaiian islands. There is a scene where hundreds of people are dying from the measles they caught from them. There have been a number of Holocaust movies: Schindler's List and Life Is Beautiful come to mind. Apocalypto was about the fall of the Middle American cultures to the Spanish. Every other historical Chinese kung fu movie has shows the brutality they suffered under the Japanese when they were considered the "Sick Man of Asia". And while no longer in fashion, Cowboys and Indians was a Hollywood staple... and you remember who typically was the protagonist and who was the antagonist in those. And before Django, was there any Hollywood movie about slavery since Amistad?

There isn't shame in being enslaved. The shame is in being the enslaver.

It's the image I'm talking about, repeatedly displaying multiple ways black Americans are portrayed AS 3RD CLASS CITIZENS OR IN HUMAN.

I'm taling about in this video technology age we live in today, Roots - Roots another generation, Queen , Amistad, Django ,Miss Jane Pittman, Mandingo, Color Purple, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Drum,Gone with the wind, Jefferson in Paris, Beloved , The birth of a Nation.

FOR AN EXAMPLE^

Name any other race that has been portrayed so poorly on the big screen in America, out side of native Americans in cowboy movies (That's just one port-rail repeated)

Also I'm talking NBC, CBS , ABC OR THE BIG SCREEN AND CABLE TV, most people don't watch PBS.

Damn playa... back to Birth of a Nation, you may have a point with that list. I guess I'm the one with the selective memory. I've blocked all those one with Oprah in them out, haha. The USA is a weird place. Creator of jazz and minstrelsy. Black people have been played out on movie screens a lot, I will grant you that.

Well, I would just hope this portrayal is more illuminating than some of the others... Mandingo at least! But I haven't seen either. I loved that Miss Jane Pittman movie when I was young. I'd argue that SOME of those movies show humanity persevering through and conquering inhumanity, but I can see you point. I'd give this one a chance because of the director and actor. I'm less inclined to see The Butler. I'd prefer Ghost Dog!

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playa2
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11/8/2013  10:31 PM
Oh I forgot the Scottsboro Boys, Rosewood Massacre
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11/8/2013  10:39 PM
playa2 wrote:
DrAlphaeus wrote:
playa2 wrote:My point is why don't we see MOVIES repeatedly reliving the massacres and atrocities of other minorities other than African Americans ?

It seems to be something Hollywood was told to provoke, an engrave these negative stereotypes into the minds of AMERICANS that we are 2nd class or 3rd class citizens by history. Less than human, treated like animals.

I don't know playa... maybe you have a selective memory. I just watched "Hawaii" with Julie Andrews on PBS the other day, the story of Christian missionaries in the Hawaiian islands. There is a scene where hundreds of people are dying from the measles they caught from them. There have been a number of Holocaust movies: Schindler's List and Life Is Beautiful come to mind. Apocalypto was about the fall of the Middle American cultures to the Spanish. Every other historical Chinese kung fu movie has shows the brutality they suffered under the Japanese when they were considered the "Sick Man of Asia". And while no longer in fashion, Cowboys and Indians was a Hollywood staple... and you remember who typically was the protagonist and who was the antagonist in those. And before Django, was there any Hollywood movie about slavery since Amistad?

There isn't shame in being enslaved. The shame is in being the enslaver.

It's the image I'm talking about, repeatedly displaying multiple ways black Americans are portrayed AS 3RD CLASS CITIZENS OR IN HUMAN.

I'm taling about in this video technology age we live in today, Roots - Roots another generation, Queen , Amistad, Django ,Miss Jane Pittman, Mandingo, Color Purple, Uncle Tom's Cabin, Drum,Gone with the wind, Jefferson in Paris, Beloved , The birth of a Nation.

FOR AN EXAMPLE^

Name any other race that has been portrayed so poorly on the big screen in America, out side of native Americans in cowboy movies (That's just one port-rail repeated)

Also I'm talking NBC, CBS , ABC OR THE BIG SCREEN AND CABLE TV, most people don't watch PBS.


Since 9/11? Take a guess. If you want to see a riveting film about the genocide in Cambodia watch "The Killing Fields".
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Scotsboro Boys Case

In 1931, nine black boys were hitching a ride aboard the Southern Railroad freight train. The illegal use of the freight trains was a common mode of transportation for Depression-era workers, both white and black. News had spread that jobs were available in Memphis, so those in search of survival hopped on the Chattanooga train. The group included nine black boys, ranging from age twelve to nineteen, some from Chattanooga and four others from Georgia. They were: Andy Wright, Willie Roberson, Charles Weems, Ozie Powell, Olen Montgomery, Eugene Williams, Haywood Patterson, Clarence Norris and Roy Wright. They rode the car that included other white children and adults who were ‘hoboing’ to Memphis.

On March 25th, a fight broke out between the black and white kids. One of the white kids stepped on the hand of a black boy and a fight broke out. When one of the white kids named Orville Gilley was about to be thrown from the train, a black child named Haywood Patterson, grabbed his hand and saved his life. Coincidentally, Patterson was the first child that was injured when a white kid stepped on his hand. When the train stationed at Paint Rock, Alabama, the police and a mob of angry white men with guns were waiting for the black boys to arrest them. Apparently the train conductor had called in the fight prior to arriving. However, the boys were charged with raping two white women – Victoria Price and Ruby Bates – instead of fighting with the white kids. All the boys, except the youngest, were sentenced to death.

During the course of the trial, many inconsistencies were presented. Price indicated that she was gang raped by six of the boys, and the “law” concluded that the others must have been involved and the other white woman “was likely raped” as well. The boys were represented in court by unpaid real estate attorneys, one of which who was rumored to have a drinking problem.

A few of the boys were coerced into confessing to the crime after they received repeated beatings in jail. After the case reached the Alabama Supreme Court, they were given the counsel of Sam Liebowitz. The boys were moved to a rat-infested jail facility. During trial, Liebowitz uncovered the work of Victoria Price, a prostitute, who was traveling on the train for “immoral purposes” which was illegal. Even the doctor hired by the prosecution strengthened the case for the defense, indicating that neither of the women had evidence or attitude of gang rape when examined.

The one eye witness at the trial with Judge Horton presiding, claimed to have seen the boys grab the women on the train. However, he misidentified the clothing that the women wore, indicating that they wore dresses, when everyone, including the jury, knew that the women traveled in overalls. Prior to Liebowitz resting the case, Ruby Bates came forward and recanted her story, telling the judge that she had never even met the boys prior to the trial.

The case was somehow reissued under Judge William Callahan, who made clear and public indications that he was for the prosecution. Haywood Patterson and Clarence Norris were both found guilty of rape. Liebowitz filed an appeal and a hold was put on the remaining cases. Seven of the boys were held in prison for six years or more prior to their trials. By 1937, after several state and the U.S. Supreme Court trials, the following verdicts were issued:

The U.S. Supreme Court reversed convictions twice on procedural grounds (that the youths' right to counsel had been infringed and that no blacks had served on the grand or trial jury). At the second trial one of the women recanted her previous testimony. The Alabama trial judge set aside the guilty verdict as contrary to the weight of the evidence and ordered a new trial. In 1937 charges against five were dropped and the state agreed to consider parole for the others. Two were paroled in 1944, one in 1951. When the fourth escaped (1948) to Michigan, the state refused to return him to Alabama. In 1976, Alabama pardoned Clarence Norris, who had broken parole and fled the state in 1946. The belief that the case against the "Scottsboro boys" was unproved and that the verdicts were the result of racism caused 1930s liberals and radicals to come to the defense of the youths. The fact that Communists used the case for propaganda further complicated the affair.

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11/9/2013  9:51 AM
Very revealing movie get ya popcorn ready, very well done.

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11/25/2013  6:56 AM
misterearl wrote:Nalod/ playa - 12 Years a Slave is a story of survival. Nalod, saying movies are made to make money is not a revelation. 12 Years is a work of art.

It is bogus to pass judgement without seeing the movie for yourself. The parallels of certain unforgettable scenes are still valid today.

I actually went to go watch it , after saying I WOULDN'T.

I was very dissapointed, I know it was a true story, written by the man that actually lived it.

I saw nothing but a good about the movie, just a man apologizing in the end to his family, for believing a lie.

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11/25/2013  5:31 PM
Killa did you go see this movie yet ? What did you think ?
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11/25/2013  6:42 PM
Definitely going to check it out when it comes on PPV. Don't go to movies as much as I used to. Big fan of Chiwetel Ejiofor. He was awesome as a government assassin in Serenity.
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11/25/2013  7:08 PM
Watch this movie... must see too.


http://variety.com/2013/film/reviews/aftermath-review-1200783281/

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11/25/2013  7:25 PM
Recently there were flyers, with bags of candy, inviting people to join the local KKK, not making this stuff up. The sherif told everyone not to worry about and ignore it and maybe it would go away. You have to love the south. smh.
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