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GustavBahler
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11/4/2013  6:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/4/2013  6:07 PM
Woodson looks like a man who has no idea yet what his rotation should be, for any style of play. Not particularly surprising, not many have stepped up enough to cement a role on this squad. I believe he's waiting to see who steps up and who doesn't before making any decisions. Its ugly in the meantime.

Whether you believe that JR will eventually solve our problems or won't make a bit of difference, he still has to be worked back into the rotation. Will Woodson give him the freedom to create he had last season? I hope not. If JR isn't given the same space, it will probably take some time for him to play well with less touches. Consistently anyway.

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11/4/2013  6:14 PM
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Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..


Yeah, these games come fast, and pretty soon you'll hear Woody say they dont have time for practice like he said at times last year.
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11/4/2013  6:26 PM
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Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..


Yeah, these games come fast, and pretty soon you'll hear Woody say they dont have time for practice like he said at times last year.
I don't think three games in you have to start worrying about saying wait until next year. The Knicks line up was in constant flux last year. Last nights loss was a bad one but talking about missing the playoffs, coming together after the all star game etc. seems a little extreme.
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11/4/2013  6:40 PM
This team will have some very winnable games coming up and so if they start winning that doesn't mean the problem is fixed. There were many of us who had warned last year that the style of play had to be based on great Ball and Player movement and not heavy ISO before the playoffs. Unfortunately we saw heavy ISO. Not that this was the only reason for the team's disappointing playoff performance, but it was part of the problem.

This year we need Woody to establish a solid offensive scheme that gives this team a chance to win against any team. Right now the team just isn't being run properly. We'll see if Woody can put it together or not this year. All we're saying is that Woody doesn't have any excuse in terms of the talent he has on his roster. Woody won't have anywhere to hide if he doesn't do a good job of coaching this team.

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11/4/2013  7:31 PM
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knickscity wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
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Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..


Yeah, these games come fast, and pretty soon you'll hear Woody say they dont have time for practice like he said at times last year.
I don't think three games in you have to start worrying about saying wait until next year. The Knicks line up was in constant flux last year. Last nights loss was a bad one but talking about missing the playoffs, coming together after the all star game etc. seems a little extreme.

I do think the coach is concerned now though, and so is his best player....

"For myself, maybe I'm second-guessing myself," Anthony conceded after practice Monday in Greenburgh. "Maybe I'm a little bit passive out there, trying to do things that (are) out of the norm and trying to make people better at the wrong times.
"That's where I'm second-guessing myself and I'm second-guessing my shot — and 'should I take this or should I pass this?' I've got to get out of that mentality quick."

Yes, Melo actually said this at practice the day AFTER game number 3.

Concern is there already.

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11/4/2013  7:37 PM
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..


Yeah, these games come fast, and pretty soon you'll hear Woody say they dont have time for practice like he said at times last year.
I don't think three games in you have to start worrying about saying wait until next year. The Knicks line up was in constant flux last year. Last nights loss was a bad one but talking about missing the playoffs, coming together after the all star game etc. seems a little extreme.

I do think the coach is concerned now though, and so is his best player....

"For myself, maybe I'm second-guessing myself," Anthony conceded after practice Monday in Greenburgh. "Maybe I'm a little bit passive out there, trying to do things that (are) out of the norm and trying to make people better at the wrong times.
"That's where I'm second-guessing myself and I'm second-guessing my shot — and 'should I take this or should I pass this?' I've got to get out of that mentality quick."

Yes, Melo actually said this at practice the day AFTER game number 3.

Concern is there already.

Some call it concerns others see making adjustments..

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11/4/2013  7:38 PM
The answer to the question is almost always the same. BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! Move the Ball and only take a GREAT shot. Not the 1st shot, but the BEST shot. Understanding what is a great shot verses a poor shot is the key to almost everything. Woody's job is to make his players aware of this.
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11/4/2013  7:42 PM
nixluva wrote:This team will have some very winnable games coming up and so if they start winning that doesn't mean the problem is fixed. There were many of us who had warned last year that the style of play had to be based on great Ball and Player movement and not heavy ISO before the playoffs. Unfortunately we saw heavy ISO. Not that this was the only reason for the team's disappointing playoff performance, but it was part of the problem.

This year we need Woody to establish a solid offensive scheme that gives this team a chance to win against any team. Right now the team just isn't being run properly. We'll see if Woody can put it together or not this year. All we're saying is that Woody doesn't have any excuse in terms of the talent he has on his roster. Woody won't have anywhere to hide if he doesn't do a good job of coaching this team.


Woody cant turn water into wine, if you want a chance to beat any team you need better players firstly.

Like I posted in post just above this, the star of the team is second guessing himself after game number 3....game number 3.

I honestly dont think there is a coach on the planet that could coach this team to something significant.

And for the record, the month of november alone has mostly possible playoff teams as an opponent even in charlotte which i do think could get 35 wins and lock up 8th.

Nothing winnable without effort which they gave none of against minny.

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11/4/2013  7:44 PM
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..


Yeah, these games come fast, and pretty soon you'll hear Woody say they dont have time for practice like he said at times last year.
I don't think three games in you have to start worrying about saying wait until next year. The Knicks line up was in constant flux last year. Last nights loss was a bad one but talking about missing the playoffs, coming together after the all star game etc. seems a little extreme.

I do think the coach is concerned now though, and so is his best player....

"For myself, maybe I'm second-guessing myself," Anthony conceded after practice Monday in Greenburgh. "Maybe I'm a little bit passive out there, trying to do things that (are) out of the norm and trying to make people better at the wrong times.
"That's where I'm second-guessing myself and I'm second-guessing my shot — and 'should I take this or should I pass this?' I've got to get out of that mentality quick."

Yes, Melo actually said this at practice the day AFTER game number 3.

Concern is there already.

Some call it concerns others see making adjustments..


I see a player thats gonna revert back if the losses pile up.

thats not an adjustment imo.

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11/4/2013  7:46 PM
nixluva wrote:The answer to the question is almost always the same. BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! Move the Ball and only take a GREAT shot. Not the 1st shot, but the BEST shot. Understanding what is a great shot verses a poor shot is the key to almost everything. Woody's job is to make his players aware of this.

Question very serious.

Would you call a star passing to the pg who passed to a wide open rookie in the corner a great shot with the game literally on the line?

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11/4/2013  7:52 PM
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..


Yeah, these games come fast, and pretty soon you'll hear Woody say they dont have time for practice like he said at times last year.
I don't think three games in you have to start worrying about saying wait until next year. The Knicks line up was in constant flux last year. Last nights loss was a bad one but talking about missing the playoffs, coming together after the all star game etc. seems a little extreme.

I do think the coach is concerned now though, and so is his best player....

"For myself, maybe I'm second-guessing myself," Anthony conceded after practice Monday in Greenburgh. "Maybe I'm a little bit passive out there, trying to do things that (are) out of the norm and trying to make people better at the wrong times.
"That's where I'm second-guessing myself and I'm second-guessing my shot — and 'should I take this or should I pass this?' I've got to get out of that mentality quick."

Yes, Melo actually said this at practice the day AFTER game number 3.

Concern is there already.

Some call it concerns others see making adjustments..


I see a player thats gonna revert back if the losses pile up.

thats not an adjustment imo.

Or maybe stop passing it to Tyson in the post as he doesn't seem to be able to hold onto the ball.
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11/4/2013  7:58 PM
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..


Yeah, these games come fast, and pretty soon you'll hear Woody say they dont have time for practice like he said at times last year.
I don't think three games in you have to start worrying about saying wait until next year. The Knicks line up was in constant flux last year. Last nights loss was a bad one but talking about missing the playoffs, coming together after the all star game etc. seems a little extreme.

I do think the coach is concerned now though, and so is his best player....

"For myself, maybe I'm second-guessing myself," Anthony conceded after practice Monday in Greenburgh. "Maybe I'm a little bit passive out there, trying to do things that (are) out of the norm and trying to make people better at the wrong times.
"That's where I'm second-guessing myself and I'm second-guessing my shot — and 'should I take this or should I pass this?' I've got to get out of that mentality quick."

Yes, Melo actually said this at practice the day AFTER game number 3.

Concern is there already.

Some call it concerns others see making adjustments..

adjustments?? the only adjustments woodson makes is to his rotation, and there usually pointless.

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11/4/2013  8:01 PM
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:The answer to the question is almost always the same. BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! Move the Ball and only take a GREAT shot. Not the 1st shot, but the BEST shot. Understanding what is a great shot verses a poor shot is the key to almost everything. Woody's job is to make his players aware of this.

Question very serious.

Would you call a star passing to the pg who passed to a wide open rookie in the corner a great shot with the game literally on the line?

Over-passing. Prigs should have shot the ball, especially knowing that THJ was struggling for the game.

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11/4/2013  8:14 PM
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knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:The answer to the question is almost always the same. BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! Move the Ball and only take a GREAT shot. Not the 1st shot, but the BEST shot. Understanding what is a great shot verses a poor shot is the key to almost everything. Woody's job is to make his players aware of this.

Question very serious.

Would you call a star passing to the pg who passed to a wide open rookie in the corner a great shot with the game literally on the line?

Over-passing. Prigs should have shot the ball, especially knowing that THJ was struggling for the game.


Totally agree, but we know Prigs dont like to shoot.
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11/4/2013  8:16 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
holfresh wrote:
knickscity wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knickscity wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Nalod wrote:Got to give Minny credit. I know its kind of hard but they have a nice team.

I thought we played Chicago well, and we won our first game.

I don't see the panic.

I agree. Also, the team worked on one thing for all of preseason and then switched back to what worked the previous season. I think JR coming back will help also.

no ones panicking, but people were saying it's just preseason, and now you see the same BS and it's the regular season. Before you know it you'll be saying we have 50 games to get it together, oh they'll regroup after the all star game, were just waiting for the playoffs, then it's wait til next yr..


Yeah, these games come fast, and pretty soon you'll hear Woody say they dont have time for practice like he said at times last year.
I don't think three games in you have to start worrying about saying wait until next year. The Knicks line up was in constant flux last year. Last nights loss was a bad one but talking about missing the playoffs, coming together after the all star game etc. seems a little extreme.

I do think the coach is concerned now though, and so is his best player....

"For myself, maybe I'm second-guessing myself," Anthony conceded after practice Monday in Greenburgh. "Maybe I'm a little bit passive out there, trying to do things that (are) out of the norm and trying to make people better at the wrong times.
"That's where I'm second-guessing myself and I'm second-guessing my shot — and 'should I take this or should I pass this?' I've got to get out of that mentality quick."

Yes, Melo actually said this at practice the day AFTER game number 3.

Concern is there already.

Some call it concerns others see making adjustments..


I see a player thats gonna revert back if the losses pile up.

thats not an adjustment imo.

Or maybe stop passing it to Tyson in the post as he doesn't seem to be able to hold onto the ball.

Not gonna happen, we know how Tyson gets when he isnt involved on offense.

Surprisingly he's been our best player, keep feeding him the ball

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11/4/2013  9:02 PM
knickscity wrote:
martin wrote:
knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:The answer to the question is almost always the same. BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! Move the Ball and only take a GREAT shot. Not the 1st shot, but the BEST shot. Understanding what is a great shot verses a poor shot is the key to almost everything. Woody's job is to make his players aware of this.

Question very serious.

Would you call a star passing to the pg who passed to a wide open rookie in the corner a great shot with the game literally on the line?

Over-passing. Prigs should have shot the ball, especially knowing that THJ was struggling for the game.


Totally agree, but we know Prigs dont like to shoot.

My question would be what was the actual offensive set they were running in the 1st place? Often what i've seen so far is a lack of legitimate plays called and guys just winging it. When you run well executed plays it leads to better spacing, crisper passing and player movement and better shots. Guys know where to go and what to do. If you run good sets more often than just going ISO you get better plays.
You especially need plays when you don't have a great PG who can create good shots for his teammates and himself even without a set play. We don't have a great PG.

We have to go with more of an offense with lost of Ball and Player movement, cuz we don't have a lot of breakdown ability on this team. Woody has to step up his game offensively. He's all covered when Melo is on fire and JR is hot but when you don't have that to fall back on you better have a solid fundamental offensive scheme in place.

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11/4/2013  9:39 PM
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knickscity wrote:
nixluva wrote:The answer to the question is almost always the same. BALL AND PLAYER MOVEMENT!!! Move the Ball and only take a GREAT shot. Not the 1st shot, but the BEST shot. Understanding what is a great shot verses a poor shot is the key to almost everything. Woody's job is to make his players aware of this.

Question very serious.

Would you call a star passing to the pg who passed to a wide open rookie in the corner a great shot with the game literally on the line?

Over-passing. Prigs should have shot the ball, especially knowing that THJ was struggling for the game.

smh..maan i have no clue why this guy turns down wide open shots, and it's like nobody on the team gets on him about it..once again a lack of leadership

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11/4/2013  9:50 PM
Sometimes your best player has to be more assertive and demand things to be done. Magic, Bird, Jordan and Lebron they get on their teammates. Melo is to busy trying to be liked its ok to be the bad guy once in a while especially when its for the betterment of the team.
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