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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

it would be.. durant and westbrook are close to complete players..

kyrie may get there of course but he can't cover up for carmelo's flaws and paying carmelo 20 mil a year, shouldn't have to..

So say we let Melo walk. We bring in Kyrie hypothetically. Are we bringing in Lebron and Durant too? Or are we rolling with Kyrie and Alridge? Aldridge is as flawed as Melo and maybe even more flawed. Same with Kevin love

Point is there is only one Lebron

I will take a chance with Melo and Kyrie.

However still requires that the Knicks front office lays out a plan. Walsh is not there this time so I have very little faith in Dolan and Mills.

Melo takes the max and we strike out in free agency again and can't afford to get Melo help then it will be see you in a decade

I agree we absolutely need a plan, and it definitely should involve Melo and teaming him up with another elite player at all costs. Until then we can't expect him to lead us past the 2nd round and can't fault him for not being Durant or Lebron when the talent he is playing with doesn't compete to their help. Our team was designed to pair up prime Melo with prime Amare. That didn't happen. We have to try that approach again until Melo is no longer elite, but there must be a concrete plan to get us there.

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

it would be.. durant and westbrook are close to complete players..

kyrie may get there of course but he can't cover up for carmelo's flaws and paying carmelo 20 mil a year, shouldn't have to..

So say we let Melo walk. We bring in Kyrie hypothetically. Are we bringing in Lebron and Durant too? Or are we rolling with Kyrie and Alridge? Aldridge is as flawed as Melo and maybe even more flawed. Same with Kevin love

Point is there is only one Lebron

I will take a chance with Melo and Kyrie.

However still requires that the Knicks front office lays out a plan. Walsh is not there this time so I have very little faith in Dolan and Mills.

Melo takes the max and we strike out in free agency again and can't afford to get Melo help then it will be see you in a decade

no, the point is, lets get away from feeling we need to add 10 max players.. If we get kyrie, I would look at a kevin love, a paul george type.. I mean we are speaking hypothetically here.. the player I want to add with guys like kyrie have to be like players.. two way player.. no use in adding a complete player with one who has as many flaws as carmelo.. that is a huge problem with me...

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

In terms of success in this league, what really separates him from Durant? Durant got to the finals once, would he have got there without Westbrook? If your answer is no, how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team? I think if he had a player like Westbrook for the past 5 years, his playoff record would be a little different. I just think your perception of him is a little out of touch of reality when comparing him to other elite players.

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

That Zach Randolph argument is totally irrelevant, I don't spend hours a day talking about how much of a loser Zach Randolph is, so no one would assume that he slept with my wife lol. Besides I think the general consensus is that Melo is a better player than Z-Bo so I don't know why you compared the two. Their skills are also completely different. Zach Randolph is a very nice tough player, but just because I don't think he alone could win with Kyrie doesn't at all mean I don't think Melo could win with Kyrie...

Allow me to remind you: You're on record saying Melo couldn't win with 4 Lebrons on his team. LMFAO. Statements like that do not come from logical thought.

whats not logical is looking at someone's body of work and then saying... well what would durant or lebron do without "x" player.. that is not logic.. at some point you have to judge the player on his own work.. performance..

when you do that, and logic sets in, I doubt you would take the same stand you are now... my comment wasn't meant to be logical, it was meant to insult.. I am insulting a player whom I feel is a complete and utter donkey..

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

That Zach Randolph argument is totally irrelevant, I don't spend hours a day talking about how much of a loser Zach Randolph is, so no one would assume that he slept with my wife lol. Besides I think the general consensus is that Melo is a better player than Z-Bo so I don't know why you compared the two. Their skills are also completely different. Zach Randolph is a very nice tough player, but just because I don't think he alone could win with Kyrie doesn't at all mean I don't think Melo could win with Kyrie...

Allow me to remind you: You're on record saying Melo couldn't win with 4 Lebrons on his team. LMFAO. Statements like that do not come from logical thought.

it is not irrelevant, and you don't talk about zach because he is not asking us for 20+ mil, and possibly the largest contract in the NBA....

Besides I think the general consensus is that Melo is a better player than Z-Bo so I don't know why you compared the two.

And the general consensus is that lebron, durant, paul and the others stars are better than carmelo.. why is he trying to get paid like them...

the point with has nothing to do with skills... the comparison was based on two guys who can put up numbers that indicate production, but are probably not the guys you max out and build around.. it is all relative.. but you know what... tomorrow is going to come... midway through this season, i expect to hear no complaints from you at all, because this is what I know..

Lebron is going to lead his team and deliver
Durant ditto
Rose: ditto
Duncan: ditto

There are a ton of questions surrounding carmelo.. good luck with that bro....

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

That Zach Randolph argument is totally irrelevant, I don't spend hours a day talking about how much of a loser Zach Randolph is, so no one would assume that he slept with my wife lol. Besides I think the general consensus is that Melo is a better player than Z-Bo so I don't know why you compared the two. Their skills are also completely different. Zach Randolph is a very nice tough player, but just because I don't think he alone could win with Kyrie doesn't at all mean I don't think Melo could win with Kyrie...

Allow me to remind you: You're on record saying Melo couldn't win with 4 Lebrons on his team. LMFAO. Statements like that do not come from logical thought.

whats not logical is looking at someone's body of work and then saying... well what would durant or lebron do without "x" player.. that is not logic.. at some point you have to judge the player on his own work.. performance..

when you do that, and logic sets in, I doubt you would take the same stand you are now... my comment wasn't meant to be logical, it was meant to insult.. I am insulting a player whom I feel is a complete and utter donkey..

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

In terms of success in this league, what really separates him from Durant? Durant got to the finals once, would he have got there without Westbrook? If your answer is no, how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team? I think if he had a player like Westbrook for the past 5 years, his playoff record would be a little different. I just think your perception of him is a little out of touch of reality when comparing him to other elite players.

Its simple.. durant has delivered every playoff series, to say he would not have gotten there without westbrook is not relevant... no one, and I am sure even you never considered westbrook a superstar then, and if not, durant still had a team around him.. but the constant was DURANT.. But you know what.. durant is not asking the knicks to max him out.... that is not my problem....

my problem is that carmelo has been a playoff failure, he has not delivered in the playoffs here in NY.. so really it doesn't matter if durant had westbrook, who lebron had, who kobe had. .how does that justify giving carmelo a max deal at this stage in his career with all of the data we have on him over the years?

if you think carmelo is close to those guys then please stop telling me who those guys have and show me where carmelo has succeeded on that level... that is all I ask... I don't want to hear he needs kyrie irvin, or wade, or lebron.... I want to see this team get to the ECF and further..

how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team?

because carmelo has had DPOY on his team twice, in camby and chandler. sixth man of the year in JR, and he had billups who finished #6 in MVP voting.. when did all of a sudden you had to have a top 10 player on your team..

where was lebrons top 10 player in cleveland?

Wade in miami( no shaq was no longer a top player in the league)

Dirk in dallas, where was his top 10 player?

Were any of the celtics top 10 when they won?

This is where your argument does not hold up...

carmelo had billups, and he forced his way out of denver.. Guy is a loser...selfish, and just a flat out dummy..

Lebron did not win a title in cleveland, the fact that he made it to the finals shows how great he is.

Yes Shaq was still a top-10 player the year he won with Wade.

Dirk in dallas is an exception, i will give you that.

Yes KG and Pierce were both top-10 players in the league, with Allen definitely top 20.

of course you are going to say shaq was a top 10 player with wade.. rofl.. I give up...

and again last thing.. lebron didn't win a title. but he took that team to the finals, and never, ever was eliminated in the first round, with minimal talent!!!!! that is what I expect from elite players!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that Shaq was only 32 years old and still averaging 23 and 10 right? Not to mention he is shaq and still demanded attention like few other players in nba history.

the shaq that was on that championship team that year, was 33, and he averaged 20/9, a good player, but no longer a top 10 player in the NBA....

But it was wade and his out of this world finals performance that carried shaq

you guys are looking for someone to carry carmelo while paying him more than anyone else in the league..

that is mindboggling..

this is why no one needs to question who wade had.... look at his playoff numbers that year..

28/6/6/2 steals and 1 block, shot 50% from the field..... He delivered.. no need to worry about who he had...

and please don't let me post his finals numbers..

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gunsnewing wrote:Yea I've been her critical of Melo. Mainly because of his contract demands but Melo and Kyrie would not be that much different than Durant and Westbrook. Durant is better than Melo but he also benefits from playing with Westbrook. Kyrie might be better than westbrook

When guys like Durant and Westbrook together have yet to win a title, how can anyone ever expect Melo to do the same with much less? I agree about the contract, but we will see what that free agency process brings.

no they haven't, but they have been to a final. they advance in the playoffs.. give us at least that hope.. with carmelo I never had the feeling that we were anything legit, except legitimate fools gold..

How would you feel if we had another elite talent alongside him such as Westbrook or Irving?

NO MORE CONFIDENT... I think we would be better purely because of their talent, but in the end, I don't have faith that you can win with carmelo unless he is reduced to the role of a specialist only... and that does not come with a 20 mil price tag..

remember I would feel fine with kyrie or westbrook and luol deng, paul george, or just about any all star level player in the NBA...

the problem isn't adding those guys, it is what we are adding it to... in this current role and salary... it won't work..

Damn, it's like melo slept with your wife or something, the hate is just so strong...

it is not hate, I can say that about 15 players in the league bro.. Ok, let me ask you this..

do you feel we can pay zach randolph 20+ mil and win a ring with him as the max player on your team, even adding a guy like kyrie? I am sure the answer is no.. zach is a fine player tho..

but i guess you hate him and he slept with your wife as well, right?

it is simple.. carmelo is not good enough to do what you guys are asking.. even adding a guy like kyrie... 20 mil for carmelo is the problem.. cutting ties with him will be the best thing for the knicks to do.. guy is a loser..

In terms of success in this league, what really separates him from Durant? Durant got to the finals once, would he have got there without Westbrook? If your answer is no, how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team? I think if he had a player like Westbrook for the past 5 years, his playoff record would be a little different. I just think your perception of him is a little out of touch of reality when comparing him to other elite players.

Its simple.. durant has delivered every playoff series, to say he would not have gotten there without westbrook is not relevant... no one, and I am sure even you never considered westbrook a superstar then, and if not, durant still had a team around him.. but the constant was DURANT.. But you know what.. durant is not asking the knicks to max him out.... that is not my problem....

my problem is that carmelo has been a playoff failure, he has not delivered in the playoffs here in NY.. so really it doesn't matter if durant had westbrook, who lebron had, who kobe had. .how does that justify giving carmelo a max deal at this stage in his career with all of the data we have on him over the years?

if you think carmelo is close to those guys then please stop telling me who those guys have and show me where carmelo has succeeded on that level... that is all I ask... I don't want to hear he needs kyrie irvin, or wade, or lebron.... I want to see this team get to the ECF and further..

how can you judge Melo as a career loser when he has never had another top-10 player on his team?

because carmelo has had DPOY on his team twice, in camby and chandler. sixth man of the year in JR, and he had billups who finished #6 in MVP voting.. when did all of a sudden you had to have a top 10 player on your team..

where was lebrons top 10 player in cleveland?

Wade in miami( no shaq was no longer a top player in the league)

Dirk in dallas, where was his top 10 player?

Were any of the celtics top 10 when they won?

This is where your argument does not hold up...

carmelo had billups, and he forced his way out of denver.. Guy is a loser...selfish, and just a flat out dummy..

Lebron did not win a title in cleveland, the fact that he made it to the finals shows how great he is.

Yes Shaq was still a top-10 player the year he won with Wade.

Dirk in dallas is an exception, i will give you that.

Yes KG and Pierce were both top-10 players in the league, with Allen definitely top 20.

of course you are going to say shaq was a top 10 player with wade.. rofl.. I give up...

and again last thing.. lebron didn't win a title. but he took that team to the finals, and never, ever was eliminated in the first round, with minimal talent!!!!! that is what I expect from elite players!!!!!!!!!!!

You do realize that Shaq was only 32 years old and still averaging 23 and 10 right? Not to mention he is shaq and still demanded attention like few other players in nba history.

the shaq that was on that championship team that year, was 33, and he averaged 20/9, a good player, but no longer a top 10 player in the NBA....

But it was wade and his out of this world finals performance that carried shaq

you guys are looking for someone to carry carmelo while paying him more than anyone else in the league..

that is mindboggling..

Regardless of who carried who in the finals, i think we can all agree that a 33-year old Shaq averaging 20/9 and still one of the biggest presences in basketball could get our current team a lot closer to a championship contender. So why is it Melo that gets criticized for not having that player to help him get thru the regular season and early playoffs so he has an opportunity to do what Wade did? It may or may not happen, but i hope you see my point.

no, all you are doing is increasing the impact of shaq to try to support your point and it is not working.. I ask you, where was dirk's top 10 player? where was lebrons when he made it to the finals?

when carmelo actually HELPS, then you can talk to me about having "help" until then this conversation is becoming a bit ridiculous.. honestly..

I have very little faith in this organization but we shall see