tkf wrote:
lets just get this out of the way... I know more about ball than you.. you speak with your heart.. that of a homer.. so don't tell me I think I know what I am talking about....

You think no one else knows how the Pacers defend Melo? That isn't some freakin mystery. The Pacers approach defensively is very effective against ISO but then great defensive teams are gonna be good against almost everyone and everything. Still held ball ISO is never gonna work against them. This is why I complained so hard about Woodson actually allowing the team to INCREASE the amount of ISO they played rather than reduce it against the Pacers. Every single post i've made has driven home this point. So there's nothing you've said which disproves my points.

My other point was that the Knicks seem to have tried to address this issue by making changes to the roster that would allow them to reduce the amount of reliance on Melo and JR ISO's. When Melo went quicker with his offense and looked to score in the flow of the offense rather than holding the ball and stopping the offense then things worked out much better for the Knicks. The problem was that Woodson didn't make sure to maintain that approach and on top of that we had too many slumping players.

The Key this year will be greater Versatility and depth of talent on this roster. Melo is a superior talent when he's playing the right way. The coach's job is to create the best circumstances for his best players to excel. The best way to help Melo is to get him playing in the flow of the offense. To go quicker rather than slow it down to a stand still holding the ball. The more you insist upon this style of play the better.

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

ShellTopAdidas wrote:

jazz74 wrote:typical espn hate......how can a player who leads the league in scoring and third in mvp voting be only 15? I am hard pressed to think of five players better than him.

I can lead the league in scoring too if I chucked it 50 times a game.

Some get offended because Melo doenst get enough praise. well the best way to fix that is to at least get to the fianls or at least give the ehat a run for their money in the ECF

That'd be fair if he could actually get credit for it. A lot of what he's done here is downplayed or attributed to anyone but him.

nixluva wrote:I think too many fans compare "Production" with "Impact". A guy like Love, Griffin or George has good production but in my opinion Melo has greater impact. He just changes the way a team plays and the way other teams play you. Very few players actually have a game that has impact. I'm not saying he's efficient but he puts pressure on the other team in a way that helps his team. However, you must have the rest of the team able to function at a decent level of efficiency. That's what we had for a good part of last year with the exception of the playoffs. Now they have to find a way to maintain the good team BB into the playoffs. There has to be a balance of the ISO ball and Team ball. We lost that balance in the playoffs last year.

you have it backwards, completely. george's floor impact is greater than anthony's. griffin's too. haven't seen much of love but my guess is that he too has greater floor impact than anthony.

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:I think too many fans compare "Production" with "Impact". A guy like Love, Griffin or George has good production but in my opinion Melo has greater impact. He just changes the way a team plays and the way other teams play you. Very few players actually have a game that has impact. I'm not saying he's efficient but he puts pressure on the other team in a way that helps his team. However, you must have the rest of the team able to function at a decent level of efficiency. That's what we had for a good part of last year with the exception of the playoffs. Now they have to find a way to maintain the good team BB into the playoffs. There has to be a balance of the ISO ball and Team ball. We lost that balance in the playoffs last year.

what teams changes the way they play for carmelo? name me one team.. not the heat, not the bulls, not the pacers.... who? teams usually have a fairly easy game plan for carmelo, one which doesn't take much planning or changing... If you don't think guys like george and blake griffin don't have huge impacts on games then I suggest you watch more NBA outside of the knicks...

exactly.

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:
lets just get this out of the way... I know more about ball than you.. you speak with your heart.. that of a homer.. so don't tell me I think I know what I am talking about....

You think no one else knows how the Pacers defend Melo? That isn't some freakin mystery. The Pacers approach defensively is very effective against ISO but then great defensive teams are gonna be good against almost everyone and everything. Still held ball ISO is never gonna work against them. This is why I complained so hard about Woodson actually allowing the team to INCREASE the amount of ISO they played rather than reduce it against the Pacers. Every single post i've made has driven home this point. So there's nothing you've said which disproves my points.

My other point was that the Knicks seem to have tried to address this issue by making changes to the roster that would allow them to reduce the amount of reliance on Melo and JR ISO's. When Melo went quicker with his offense and looked to score in the flow of the offense rather than holding the ball and stopping the offense then things worked out much better for the Knicks. The problem was that Woodson didn't make sure to maintain that approach and on top of that we had too many slumping players.

The Key this year will be greater Versatility and depth of talent on this roster. Melo is a superior talent when he's playing the right way. The coach's job is to create the best circumstances for his best players to excel. The best way to help Melo is to get him playing in the flow of the offense. To go quicker rather than slow it down to a stand still holding the ball. The more you insist upon this style of play the better.

pretty sure karl tried to get melo to play the right way and then d'antoni and now woodson. guess what-- doesn't work.

melo reminds me of the twilight zone episode with billy mumy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAzvb38PyI

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:
lets just get this out of the way... I know more about ball than you.. you speak with your heart.. that of a homer.. so don't tell me I think I know what I am talking about....

You think no one else knows how the Pacers defend Melo? That isn't some freakin mystery. The Pacers approach defensively is very effective against ISO but then great defensive teams are gonna be good against almost everyone and everything. Still held ball ISO is never gonna work against them. This is why I complained so hard about Woodson actually allowing the team to INCREASE the amount of ISO they played rather than reduce it against the Pacers. Every single post i've made has driven home this point. So there's nothing you've said which disproves my points.

My other point was that the Knicks seem to have tried to address this issue by making changes to the roster that would allow them to reduce the amount of reliance on Melo and JR ISO's. When Melo went quicker with his offense and looked to score in the flow of the offense rather than holding the ball and stopping the offense then things worked out much better for the Knicks. The problem was that Woodson didn't make sure to maintain that approach and on top of that we had too many slumping players.

The Key this year will be greater Versatility and depth of talent on this roster. Melo is a superior talent when he's playing the right way. The coach's job is to create the best circumstances for his best players to excel. The best way to help Melo is to get him playing in the flow of the offense. To go quicker rather than slow it down to a stand still holding the ball. The more you insist upon this style of play the better.

pretty sure karl tried to get melo to play the right way and then d'antoni and now woodson. guess what-- doesn't work.

melo reminds me of the twilight zone episode with billy mumy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAzvb38PyI

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:
lets just get this out of the way... I know more about ball than you.. you speak with your heart.. that of a homer.. so don't tell me I think I know what I am talking about....

You think no one else knows how the Pacers defend Melo? That isn't some freakin mystery. The Pacers approach defensively is very effective against ISO but then great defensive teams are gonna be good against almost everyone and everything. Still held ball ISO is never gonna work against them. This is why I complained so hard about Woodson actually allowing the team to INCREASE the amount of ISO they played rather than reduce it against the Pacers. Every single post i've made has driven home this point. So there's nothing you've said which disproves my points.

My other point was that the Knicks seem to have tried to address this issue by making changes to the roster that would allow them to reduce the amount of reliance on Melo and JR ISO's. When Melo went quicker with his offense and looked to score in the flow of the offense rather than holding the ball and stopping the offense then things worked out much better for the Knicks. The problem was that Woodson didn't make sure to maintain that approach and on top of that we had too many slumping players.

The Key this year will be greater Versatility and depth of talent on this roster. Melo is a superior talent when he's playing the right way. The coach's job is to create the best circumstances for his best players to excel. The best way to help Melo is to get him playing in the flow of the offense. To go quicker rather than slow it down to a stand still holding the ball. The more you insist upon this style of play the better.

pretty sure karl tried to get melo to play the right way and then d'antoni and now woodson. guess what-- doesn't work.

melo reminds me of the twilight zone episode with billy mumy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAzvb38PyI

A buddy of mine knows Karl and said he didn't have a problem with Melo until Melo wanted to leave Denver. The guy has known Karl since his first nba job at Golden State. D'Antoni wanted Melo to fit into his system. Similar to the many other players he has had trouble with since his run in Phoenix, he is all about making his system work and not about utilizing players strengths. The Knicks have done nothing but win since Woodson replaced D'Antoni. The second round of the playoffs were rough but it is hard to find a team that had to overcome as much adversity as the Knicks both in the regular season and the post season.

All teams deal with injuries and such, they all do. Didnt Chicago advance to the same round we did? What if they had played us in the 2nd round?

I agree with your assessment of Karl, disagree with D'antoni....D'antoni has never put the ball in the hands of any player of than a pg....if D'antoni was truly trying to make melo fit...he would have taken away the ball.

but nope, D;'atnoni said literally after we got swept that he expects melo to be a triple double thret the following season.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:
lets just get this out of the way... I know more about ball than you.. you speak with your heart.. that of a homer.. so don't tell me I think I know what I am talking about....

You think no one else knows how the Pacers defend Melo? That isn't some freakin mystery. The Pacers approach defensively is very effective against ISO but then great defensive teams are gonna be good against almost everyone and everything. Still held ball ISO is never gonna work against them. This is why I complained so hard about Woodson actually allowing the team to INCREASE the amount of ISO they played rather than reduce it against the Pacers. Every single post i've made has driven home this point. So there's nothing you've said which disproves my points.

My other point was that the Knicks seem to have tried to address this issue by making changes to the roster that would allow them to reduce the amount of reliance on Melo and JR ISO's. When Melo went quicker with his offense and looked to score in the flow of the offense rather than holding the ball and stopping the offense then things worked out much better for the Knicks. The problem was that Woodson didn't make sure to maintain that approach and on top of that we had too many slumping players.

The Key this year will be greater Versatility and depth of talent on this roster. Melo is a superior talent when he's playing the right way. The coach's job is to create the best circumstances for his best players to excel. The best way to help Melo is to get him playing in the flow of the offense. To go quicker rather than slow it down to a stand still holding the ball. The more you insist upon this style of play the better.

pretty sure karl tried to get melo to play the right way and then d'antoni and now woodson. guess what-- doesn't work.

melo reminds me of the twilight zone episode with billy mumy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAzvb38PyI

A buddy of mine knows Karl and said he didn't have a problem with Melo until Melo wanted to leave Denver. The guy has known Karl since his first nba job at Golden State. D'Antoni wanted Melo to fit into his system. Similar to the many other players he has had trouble with since his run in Phoenix, he is all about making his system work and not about utilizing players strengths. The Knicks have done nothing but win since Woodson replaced D'Antoni. The second round of the playoffs were rough but it is hard to find a team that had to overcome as much adversity as the Knicks both in the regular season and the post season.

All teams deal with injuries and such, they all do. Didnt Chicago advance to the same round we did? What if they had played us in the 2nd round?

I agree with your assessment of Karl, disagree with D'antoni....D'antoni has never put the ball in the hands of any player of than a pg....if D'antoni was truly trying to make melo fit...he would have taken away the ball.

but nope, D;'atnoni said literally after we got swept that he expects melo to be a triple double thret the following season.

Not a fan of D'Antoni but his heavy reliance on his point guard was known by Grunwald but he went for a more traditional line up and amnestied Billups to get Tyson. Douglas wasn't good enough to play point and D'Antoni had Melo play point forward. Melo averaged around 4 assists under D'Antoni. Melo was asked to play point forward for D'Antoni. Remember Shump and Douglas were playing the point for awhile and it was a horror show.

D'Antoni tried very hard to make Melo an all around player. I recall Melo hating every bit of his 4 assists. Melo is very talented but he is what he is unwilling to learn to change to situations.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:
lets just get this out of the way... I know more about ball than you.. you speak with your heart.. that of a homer.. so don't tell me I think I know what I am talking about....

You think no one else knows how the Pacers defend Melo? That isn't some freakin mystery. The Pacers approach defensively is very effective against ISO but then great defensive teams are gonna be good against almost everyone and everything. Still held ball ISO is never gonna work against them. This is why I complained so hard about Woodson actually allowing the team to INCREASE the amount of ISO they played rather than reduce it against the Pacers. Every single post i've made has driven home this point. So there's nothing you've said which disproves my points.

My other point was that the Knicks seem to have tried to address this issue by making changes to the roster that would allow them to reduce the amount of reliance on Melo and JR ISO's. When Melo went quicker with his offense and looked to score in the flow of the offense rather than holding the ball and stopping the offense then things worked out much better for the Knicks. The problem was that Woodson didn't make sure to maintain that approach and on top of that we had too many slumping players.

The Key this year will be greater Versatility and depth of talent on this roster. Melo is a superior talent when he's playing the right way. The coach's job is to create the best circumstances for his best players to excel. The best way to help Melo is to get him playing in the flow of the offense. To go quicker rather than slow it down to a stand still holding the ball. The more you insist upon this style of play the better.

pretty sure karl tried to get melo to play the right way and then d'antoni and now woodson. guess what-- doesn't work.

melo reminds me of the twilight zone episode with billy mumy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAzvb38PyI

A buddy of mine knows Karl and said he didn't have a problem with Melo until Melo wanted to leave Denver. The guy has known Karl since his first nba job at Golden State. D'Antoni wanted Melo to fit into his system. Similar to the many other players he has had trouble with since his run in Phoenix, he is all about making his system work and not about utilizing players strengths. The Knicks have done nothing but win since Woodson replaced D'Antoni. The second round of the playoffs were rough but it is hard to find a team that had to overcome as much adversity as the Knicks both in the regular season and the post season.

All teams deal with injuries and such, they all do. Didnt Chicago advance to the same round we did? What if they had played us in the 2nd round?

I agree with your assessment of Karl, disagree with D'antoni....D'antoni has never put the ball in the hands of any player of than a pg....if D'antoni was truly trying to make melo fit...he would have taken away the ball.

but nope, D;'atnoni said literally after we got swept that he expects melo to be a triple double thret the following season.

Not a fan of D'Antoni but his heavy reliance on his point guard was known by Grunwald but he went for a more traditional line up and amnestied Billups to get Tyson. Douglas wasn't good enough to play point and D'Antoni had Melo play point forward. Melo averaged around 4 assists under D'Antoni. Melo was asked to play point forward for D'Antoni. Remember Shump and Douglas were playing the point for awhile and it was a horror show.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7683000/new-york-knicks-carmelo-anthony-pushing-mike-dantoni-door

dk7th wrote:

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:
lets just get this out of the way... I know more about ball than you.. you speak with your heart.. that of a homer.. so don't tell me I think I know what I am talking about....

You think no one else knows how the Pacers defend Melo? That isn't some freakin mystery. The Pacers approach defensively is very effective against ISO but then great defensive teams are gonna be good against almost everyone and everything. Still held ball ISO is never gonna work against them. This is why I complained so hard about Woodson actually allowing the team to INCREASE the amount of ISO they played rather than reduce it against the Pacers. Every single post i've made has driven home this point. So there's nothing you've said which disproves my points.

My other point was that the Knicks seem to have tried to address this issue by making changes to the roster that would allow them to reduce the amount of reliance on Melo and JR ISO's. When Melo went quicker with his offense and looked to score in the flow of the offense rather than holding the ball and stopping the offense then things worked out much better for the Knicks. The problem was that Woodson didn't make sure to maintain that approach and on top of that we had too many slumping players.

The Key this year will be greater Versatility and depth of talent on this roster. Melo is a superior talent when he's playing the right way. The coach's job is to create the best circumstances for his best players to excel. The best way to help Melo is to get him playing in the flow of the offense. To go quicker rather than slow it down to a stand still holding the ball. The more you insist upon this style of play the better.

pretty sure karl tried to get melo to play the right way and then d'antoni and now woodson. guess what-- doesn't work.

melo reminds me of the twilight zone episode with billy mumy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuAzvb38PyI

pretty sure you dont know what you're talking about....as always

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_16186461

Karl said he and the team would try to persuade Melo to re-sign. He mentioned Kobe Bryant's situation years ago, when the Lakers star wanted out but reconsidered.

"That's what I want to reincarnate," Karl said. "Maybe I'll give Phil (Jackson) a call and see if he can tell me what he did."

In regards to convincing Melo to stay, Karl said the sales pitch is easy, "Winning. We're one of the few teams to make the playoffs for seven consecutive seasons. I don't think you want to go to losing."

Sounds like Karl was pretty happy with the way Melo was playing already.