holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:really? I didnt say they built the system to hate on the knicks. Just in general that they seem to drink the nyc hatterade. also there predictions from last year and years past have been way off .... looking at last years predictions they had us finishing 6th and we finished 2nd for the regular season... that to me equals way off in my book with phily and boston finishing ahead of us ahahahah that **** is just laughable... do your homework dog

when you get slapped a bit in the first round and snuffed in the second round that amounts to a 6th seed rating. it shows that the knicks were a fool's gold team. 6th seed was a more accurate assessment.

As Reagan said to Carter, "there you go again"...Then at the end of the year you are going to tell us how disappointed u are because the Knicks were projected to reach the ECF...

no-- my expectations for this team are what they are. i think they are 43-47 wins. losing kidd and adding bargnani is a step back. it's about chemistry, defense, leadership. the knicks will lack adequate chemistry and their defense will suffer because felton needs another point guard to help him. that means lots of opponents in the lane and wearing out chandler or getting him in foul trouble.

that is the scenario that will lead to them falling back to a mediocre regular-season team and first round fodder.

they will need more than what woodson can offer in order to secure the 3rd seed, and if they fall to the sixth seed they will be a first round exit, once again.

U said the same things last year..The Knicks came in as the 2nd seed then U said u were disappointed because u expected them to reach the ECF...ESPN said the same thing last year with a much older crew...Shump out half the season, Amare out..etc..

i don't think so. i had hopes of their reaching the ecf, that's for sure. the first 8 games they looked like they were, no question. then sporadically from then on i saw only glimpses, so i got increasingly uncomfortable with what i saw. i said as much throughout the season: too much 3-point shooting, not enough defense, too much isolation at the expense of building a squad, not enough shot distribution.

all the 54 RS wins showed was that you can get a gaudy record in a bloated league with a diluted talent pool, but unless you have a team that excels at defending and guys who can distribute the ball and score efficiently you will be in trouble.

in other words, sure they got the 2nd seed but they ended up being revealed as something closer to a 6th seed given the way they performed in the playoffs.

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:really? I didnt say they built the system to hate on the knicks. Just in general that they seem to drink the nyc hatterade. also there predictions from last year and years past have been way off .... looking at last years predictions they had us finishing 6th and we finished 2nd for the regular season... that to me equals way off in my book with phily and boston finishing ahead of us ahahahah that **** is just laughable... do your homework dog

when you get slapped a bit in the first round and snuffed in the second round that amounts to a 6th seed rating. it shows that the knicks were a fool's gold team. 6th seed was a more accurate assessment.

As Reagan said to Carter, "there you go again"...Then at the end of the year you are going to tell us how disappointed u are because the Knicks were projected to reach the ECF...

There's a difference between informed projections on the one hand and reasonable fan expectations/requirements on the other. Shouldn't ECF be expected from a veteran team 4 years into its "big 3"? If we're being told that this is well planned out team and it has four max or near max veterans with 40 years experience, shouldn't the requirement be at least a conference finals appearance? If four years into the Melo-Amare pairing and three into the Melo-Amare-Chandler grouping, the team still can't make the conference finals, then wasn't this a failed plan? So DK7 and I will be upset because the team didn't achieve anything that was reasonably expected, not because we were surprised.

Absolutely not, MDA wanted a completely different direction of a PG controlled team...Melo as you primary go to guy is very different than the plan was 2.5 years ago...

Bonn1997 wrote:I guess Melo thinks the computer the statisticians used had a problem: "Sometimes there's glitches in the computer," Anthony said. "I have no control over the computers, I really don’t," he added." What does he think the formula is fine and the problem was the specific computer the statistician used to calculate the formula? Like, if the guy buys a new computer, the Schoene system is gonna project 57 wins the for the Knicks!

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/48845/knicks-dont-agree-with-37-wins-projection

jazz74 wrote:well, looks like espn predicted as much especially with the injury.

perhaps this is the time to bump this thread

Opening Tip: Can Knicks win more than 37?
Remember ESPN.com’s SCHOENE preseason projections? The statistics-based computer projection had the Knicks winning just 37 games this year.

Fans and some media members (this one included) strongly disagreed with the prediction. But it looks like SCHOENE, ESPN analyst Kevin Pelton’s system, was right on. Heck, maybe it was even a little optimistic?

Through 41 games, the Knicks are 15-26. That means they are on pace to win just 30 games.

“I didn’t think we would be in this situation. I don’t really know how to deal with situations like this,” Carmelo Anthony said after the Knicks’ 23-point loss to the Nets on Monday. “I’m learning. This is the first time for me. We got to keep it going. We got a lot more games to play, just got to figure it out, got to do something.”

The Knicks honored Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. on his national day of remembrance by instituting his policy of non-violent resistance against the Nets. They allowed Brooklyn to shoot 49 percent from the floor.

“I can’t really put my finger on it exactly what’s going on and what’s happening,” Anthony said. “We’re just not getting it done. We’re just not making it happen and getting it done.”

No, they’re not.

The Knicks hope to improve their footing a bit in the next five games. All five are at home, and against opponents at least five games below .500. So maybe the Knicks can make a run win more than 37 games, eclipsing the SCHOENE projection. But so far, it looks like the system was spot-on.

Bonn1997 wrote:Interesting. The voting was 15-0 when I bumped the thread. Now it's 16-1. Someone still must have voted "False. Get the phuck outta here with this bullshyt projection!"

I don't like to encourage your metrics!

I thought knicks would win about 49 games this year. I went along with the 37 win given two choices. The ESPN did have it right if 37 gets you a 7th seed. They saw a week East conference all the way.