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10/10/2013  7:00 PM
I was actually thinking the same thing about Shumpert getting traded. Fortunately, with the way he played in that preseason game and what we already know to be true of him, I think that he would get another player of good value. This is a stretch but does anyone think Shumpert, Bargnani and filler could get us LaMarcus Aldridge? Should we even want LaMarcus Aldridge? I got serious reservations about his and Carmelo's ability to co-exist due to the lack of passing ability (or willingness to pass) between the two of them.
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10/10/2013  7:14 PM
He's going nowhere. Hes a top 5 cog on a team that has a great chance to win it all.
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10/10/2013  7:24 PM
NardDogNation wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing about Shumpert getting traded. Fortunately, with the way he played in that preseason game and what we already know to be true of him, I think that he would get another player of good value. This is a stretch but does anyone think Shumpert, Bargnani and filler could get us LaMarcus Aldridge? Should we even want LaMarcus Aldridge? I got serious reservations about his and Carmelo's ability to co-exist due to the lack of passing ability (or willingness to pass) between the two of them.

I'd rather keep our guys to be honest....I dont think LMA is an upgrade over both in the same deal.
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10/10/2013  7:37 PM
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First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.


So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.


Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

Papabear Says

Copeland is gone because of a bone head mistake by management. When they signed Copeland they should have put in an option for the second year but they didn't. Now if they didn't like him they could have let him walk. but no option?? bad move.

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NardDogNation wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing about Shumpert getting traded. Fortunately, with the way he played in that preseason game and what we already know to be true of him, I think that he would get another player of good value. This is a stretch but does anyone think Shumpert, Bargnani and filler could get us LaMarcus Aldridge? Should we even want LaMarcus Aldridge? I got serious reservations about his and Carmelo's ability to co-exist due to the lack of passing ability (or willingness to pass) between the two of them.

I'd rather keep our guys to be honest....I dont think LMA is an upgrade over both in the same deal.

I hope so too. I just hope that if he is moved, its for the biggest starpuch of all-time, lol.
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10/10/2013  7:42 PM
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Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.


So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.


Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

Copeland was becoming a secret weapon of the Knicks and growing on the fans, it's one of the reasons why the Pacers signed him. A 6'8 that can light it up effortlessly from downtown, only one other SF at 6'8 on the team does that (Melo).

JR Smith is dysfunction personified, James Dolan loves to surround himself with those kind of people it makes him feel comfortable(Guys that like to give girls the pipe). The only other player on this roster that can do what JR does in playoff intensity type games is IMAN SHUMPERT. Shump will be playing to get an extension after this season before his final yr of his rookie contract and Dolan might not be having it.

Let's just say if there isn't any controversy on the Knicks ,then Dolan isn't running the team right.

He prospers when we show signs of dysfunction and become the talk of the town in the process. Publicity whether positive or negative is a great sell for Dolan and he knows it.

We the fans know we have the same owner in place , but we are expecting different results from him. I guess we all have a touch of insanity !!!


Playa, I'm asking if you really think Copeland's popularity in NY was approaching that of Melo's, much less exceeding it. Being a fan favorite is one thing but if you want to go around saying that Melo outs people who are more popular than he is, Cope wouldn't be much of an example.

I would never say nor anyone else would say that Copeland's popularity would rival that of Melo.

What I am saying is everybody is looking for an alternative player to root for on the knicks , even though Melo is the teams best player. People root for Melo , but everybody doesn't like him.

So when a player begins to get a little popularity Dolan begins try and reduce that player popularity for what ever the reason.

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10/10/2013  7:42 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing about Shumpert getting traded. Fortunately, with the way he played in that preseason game and what we already know to be true of him, I think that he would get another player of good value. This is a stretch but does anyone think Shumpert, Bargnani and filler could get us LaMarcus Aldridge? Should we even want LaMarcus Aldridge? I got serious reservations about his and Carmelo's ability to co-exist due to the lack of passing ability (or willingness to pass) between the two of them.

I'd rather keep our guys to be honest....I dont think LMA is an upgrade over both in the same deal.

I hope so too. I just hope that if he is moved, its for the biggest starpuch of all-time, lol.


I would do it for Rondo. though and the coup would be if Sully came back in the deal as well.
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10/10/2013  7:44 PM
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TeamBall wrote:
playa2 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.


So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.


Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

Copeland was becoming a secret weapon of the Knicks and growing on the fans, it's one of the reasons why the Pacers signed him. A 6'8 that can light it up effortlessly from downtown, only one other SF at 6'8 on the team does that (Melo).

JR Smith is dysfunction personified, James Dolan loves to surround himself with those kind of people it makes him feel comfortable(Guys that like to give girls the pipe). The only other player on this roster that can do what JR does in playoff intensity type games is IMAN SHUMPERT. Shump will be playing to get an extension after this season before his final yr of his rookie contract and Dolan might not be having it.

Let's just say if there isn't any controversy on the Knicks ,then Dolan isn't running the team right.

He prospers when we show signs of dysfunction and become the talk of the town in the process. Publicity whether positive or negative is a great sell for Dolan and he knows it.

We the fans know we have the same owner in place , but we are expecting different results from him. I guess we all have a touch of insanity !!!


Playa, I'm asking if you really think Copeland's popularity in NY was approaching that of Melo's, much less exceeding it. Being a fan favorite is one thing but if you want to go around saying that Melo outs people who are more popular than he is, Cope wouldn't be much of an example.

I would never say nor anyone else would say that Copeland's popularity would rival that of Melo.

What I am saying is everybody is looking for an alternative player to root for on the knicks , even though Melo is the teams best player. People root for Melo , but everybody doesn't like him.

So when a player begins to get a little popularity Dolan begins try and reduce that player popularity for what ever the reason.


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I hope you are wrong. Time will tell.

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10/10/2013  7:47 PM
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TeamBall wrote:
playa2 wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.


So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.


Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

Copeland was becoming a secret weapon of the Knicks and growing on the fans, it's one of the reasons why the Pacers signed him. A 6'8 that can light it up effortlessly from downtown, only one other SF at 6'8 on the team does that (Melo).

JR Smith is dysfunction personified, James Dolan loves to surround himself with those kind of people it makes him feel comfortable(Guys that like to give girls the pipe). The only other player on this roster that can do what JR does in playoff intensity type games is IMAN SHUMPERT. Shump will be playing to get an extension after this season before his final yr of his rookie contract and Dolan might not be having it.

Let's just say if there isn't any controversy on the Knicks ,then Dolan isn't running the team right.

He prospers when we show signs of dysfunction and become the talk of the town in the process. Publicity whether positive or negative is a great sell for Dolan and he knows it.

We the fans know we have the same owner in place , but we are expecting different results from him. I guess we all have a touch of insanity !!!


Playa, I'm asking if you really think Copeland's popularity in NY was approaching that of Melo's, much less exceeding it. Being a fan favorite is one thing but if you want to go around saying that Melo outs people who are more popular than he is, Cope wouldn't be much of an example.

I would never say nor anyone else would say that Copeland's popularity would rival that of Melo.

What I am saying is everybody is looking for an alternative player to root for on the knicks , even though Melo is the teams best player. People root for Melo , but everybody doesn't like him.

So when a player begins to get a little popularity Dolan begins try and reduce that player popularity for what ever the reason.


That "outside" player was Pablo imo and he's still here....kinda like Novak was and was rewarded with a decent contract.

I liked Copeland but I never got fan favorite out of him.
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10/10/2013  7:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/10/2013  7:52 PM
Silly conjecture...Reaching...Melo is the center of the basketball Universe...
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10/10/2013  7:52 PM
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
knickscity wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:I was actually thinking the same thing about Shumpert getting traded. Fortunately, with the way he played in that preseason game and what we already know to be true of him, I think that he would get another player of good value. This is a stretch but does anyone think Shumpert, Bargnani and filler could get us LaMarcus Aldridge? Should we even want LaMarcus Aldridge? I got serious reservations about his and Carmelo's ability to co-exist due to the lack of passing ability (or willingness to pass) between the two of them.

I'd rather keep our guys to be honest....I dont think LMA is an upgrade over both in the same deal.

I hope so too. I just hope that if he is moved, its for the biggest starpuch of all-time, lol.


I would do it for Rondo. though and the coup would be if Sully came back in the deal as well.

Ditto. Like I said, I don't think Aldridge and Melo would work well together but I do think getting a guy like Aldridge opens up the door to getting a Rajon Rondo.
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10/10/2013  8:11 PM
Papabear wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
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Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.


So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.


Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

Papabear Says

Copeland is gone because of a bone head mistake by management. When they signed Copeland they should have put in an option for the second year but they didn't. Now if they didn't like him they could have let him walk. but no option?? bad move.


Yeah I'd have to agree with that. I didn't have much of a problem with letting him go. Just a little annoyed that he ended up going to the Pacers who had just eliminated us.
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10/10/2013  9:10 PM
so JR chokes beyond belief in the playoffs ... gets suspended for drugs ... and manipulates the timing of his surgery

but he's the favorite to start and shumpert is the injury prone headcase.

it's enough to make me wanna hibernate all winter.
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anrst wrote:so JR chokes beyond belief in the playoffs ... gets suspended for drugs ... and manipulates the timing of his surgery

but he's the favorite to start and shumpert is the injury prone headcase.

it's enough to make me wanna hibernate all winter.

hahaha, pretty much!

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Papabear wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
playa2 wrote:
Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

First of all Shumpert has done everything that was asked of him to do with the exception playing in the summer league. At half time tonight when Herb Williams was asked about how the team was doing he mentioned everyone but Shump. Then at the end of the game Woody made it look like no matter if he hit seven in a row JR Smith stands a good chance to start. I see Shump getting the Copeland effect and I don't like it. I believe that a deal was made to start JR Smith. Woody acted like what Shump did was not good enough. if Dolan has it made up in his mind to get rid of Shump then Dolan is an azz hole. It don't look good in my opinion. Hell Shumpert starting should be a no brainer. I just don't like Woody's attitude and remarks regarding Shump. Management Can't get political on us now. I believe that Shump can be an all-star. he gets better every year. Woody needs to get some balls and stand up to Dolan. I am a Knicks die hard fan but have a problem with the Knicks management. Keep Shump.


So why doesn't people believe the knicks are being run by politics and not basketball talent decisions?

It's why we didn't sign Copeland and signed Prigs for more money even though we scooped up Udriah.

Anybody that makes a little wave of becoming a fan favorite with talent, we have to move him because of our #1 star Mello. Can't steal any of his shine, but he can't do it by himself he needs help.

Dolan might just want this team to be a show on Broadway and not a bonafide winner in the NBA.


Even thought I dont agree with the whole "anyone whos a threat to Melo has gotta go" narrative, you honestly believe thats why Copelands gone?

Papabear Says

Copeland is gone because of a bone head mistake by management. When they signed Copeland they should have put in an option for the second year but they didn't. Now if they didn't like him they could have let him walk. but no option?? bad move.

Come on...MWP is a much better player than Copeland, even at this point in his career...Given the way the Knicks look in the first preseason game in terms of skill and depth, I doubt Copeland would have gotten any significant playing time...I'm always amazed how this board goes gaga over marginal players...
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10/11/2013  6:47 AM
We do alot of dumb moves and this won't surprise me
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10/11/2013  7:31 AM    LAST EDITED: 10/11/2013  7:33 AM
IronWillGiroud wrote:
anrst wrote:so JR chokes beyond belief in the playoffs ... gets suspended for drugs ... and manipulates the timing of his surgery

but he's the favorite to start and shumpert is the injury prone headcase.

it's enough to make me wanna hibernate all winter.

hahaha, pretty much!

do we know why Shump missed most of training camp? that seems to be why he's in the doghouse.

I'd be all for moving Shump+filler if it somehow netted us Rondo and kept the front court intact.

the fact that you can't even have an unrelated thread without some tool here bringing him up make me think that rational minds are few and far between. Bunch of emotionally weak, angst riddled people. I mean, how many times can you argue the same shyt
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IronWillGiroud wrote:
anrst wrote:so JR chokes beyond belief in the playoffs ... gets suspended for drugs ... and manipulates the timing of his surgery

but he's the favorite to start and shumpert is the injury prone headcase.

it's enough to make me wanna hibernate all winter.

hahaha, pretty much!

do we know why Shump missed most of training camp? that seems to be why he's in the doghouse.

I'd be all for moving Shump+filler if it somehow netted us Rondo and kept the front court intact.

I would package shump for either Love or rubio, maybe even shved (who i like a lot) or derrick williams..

Amare's expiring contract next off season may just be a huge bonus for us, especially if he plays over 65 games, not to mention bargs contract will also be expiring. Shump can easily be package with anyone of them..

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Haven't been on this board in awhile, cause I was too disgusted with Dolan and his handling of the Knicks. Decided to peek in here for a looksy, and come across this! My dislike for Dolan has reached critical mass!!!! Start JR Choke n stuff over Shump? Really??? Is this really up for discussion????
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ShellTopAdidas wrote:Haven't been on this board in awhile, cause I was too disgusted with Dolan and his handling of the Knicks. Decided to peek in here for a looksy, and come across this! My dislike for Dolan has reached critical mass!!!! Start JR Choke n stuff over Shump? Really??? Is this really up for discussion????

Dolan is amazing- just when you think he couldn't agrivate you more, he somehow finds a way to do so.
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