Swishfm3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:good point guards do not defer they orchestrate. it's hard to orchestrate when one of the players is accustomed to a usage rate of 35%

seriously...would someone ban this dude already?

knickstorrents wrote:

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:In my opinion beno udrih was the most important free agent pickup

-nice mid range game
-good in transition
-passes the ball
-could replace ray

What do others think about udrih?

I think it is sad that you feel an average, journeyman, backup guard is our most important FA pickup...

doesn't say much about our offseason..

The main deficiencies I saw were our lack of playmaking after Kidd went down, and lack of rebounding. We didn't really address rebounding at all, and Beno addresses playmaking if Woody plays him. We didn't really do a good job this offseason as our marquee pickup was a perimeter Power Forward who doesn't rebound and doesn't pass. He is almost exactly the opposite of what we needed. What we needed was an enforcer Jason Maxiell type, someone very low usage who can get a lot of offensive rebounds off Carmelo and JR's chucks, but we pretty much got the exact opposite of that.

Our issue is not pure offense, it is and continues to be an orchestrated offense. Having Melo as your primary option makes it very difficult to have a cohesive offense, so you need a playmaker with a strong personality. Kidd was the ideal player for this situation but he didn't work out due to age.

Rebounding was a need, but we also needed to add more versatility to the offense. We added players who can play great team offense, which is something we really needed. It would be great to have a really tough rebounder in the mix, but I don't agree that it helps to have a non offensive threat big on the floor just to be there to rebound. They did the right thing going for a scoring big like Bargnani, play maker like Beno and a all around solid vet like MWP. That addressed plenty of needs.

We'll have to see how the rebounding differential turns out this year. Maybe this year they'll make it less of a huge rebounding deficit. The Knicks Rebound Rate is pretty much middle of the league. It's not as much of a problem as it's been made out to be. The Pacers rebound rate is 52.9 and the Knicks is 49.3 but this is just one aspect of the game. The Knicks are one of the top teams in the league in other areas that offset this deficiency.

NardDogNation wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:good point guards do not defer they orchestrate. it's hard to orchestrate when one of the players is accustomed to a usage rate of 35%

seriously...would someone ban this dude already?

I'm almost certain this dude is Mardy Collins.

And as anyone with even a shred of team sports knowledge would realize, Uncle Mardy would obviously agree that the most important offseason pickup was the fact that we're possibly one season closer to possibly being Melo-free.

The simple sad passage of time can be a tremendous asset.

nixluva wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:In my opinion beno udrih was the most important free agent pickup

-nice mid range game
-good in transition
-passes the ball
-could replace ray

What do others think about udrih?

I think it is sad that you feel an average, journeyman, backup guard is our most important FA pickup...

doesn't say much about our offseason..

The main deficiencies I saw were our lack of playmaking after Kidd went down, and lack of rebounding. We didn't really address rebounding at all, and Beno addresses playmaking if Woody plays him. We didn't really do a good job this offseason as our marquee pickup was a perimeter Power Forward who doesn't rebound and doesn't pass. He is almost exactly the opposite of what we needed. What we needed was an enforcer Jason Maxiell type, someone very low usage who can get a lot of offensive rebounds off Carmelo and JR's chucks, but we pretty much got the exact opposite of that.

Our issue is not pure offense, it is and continues to be an orchestrated offense. Having Melo as your primary option makes it very difficult to have a cohesive offense, so you need a playmaker with a strong personality. Kidd was the ideal player for this situation but he didn't work out due to age.

Rebounding was a need, but we also needed to add more versatility to the offense. We added players who can play great team offense, which is something we really needed. It would be great to have a really tough rebounder in the mix, but I don't agree that it helps to have a non offensive threat big on the floor just to be there to rebound. They did the right thing going for a scoring big like Bargnani, play maker like Beno and a all around solid vet like MWP. That addressed plenty of needs.

We'll have to see how the rebounding differential turns out this year. Maybe this year they'll make it less of a huge rebounding deficit. The Knicks Rebound Rate is pretty much middle of the league. It's not as much of a problem as it's been made out to be. The Pacers rebound rate is 52.9 and the Knicks is 49.3 but this is just one aspect of the game. The Knicks are one of the top teams in the league in other areas that offset this deficiency.

I think you keep ignoring Dk when he talks usage rate... do you understand what he is getting at when he keeps mentioning it.. it is very important as it really dictates how an offense goes... it really doesn't matter what you add when there is one guy taking up a lion share of the shots and has the ball in their hands a lot.. yet he refuses to pass, move the ball and isn't that efficient.. you keep talking versatility. You are so overstating that as Bargnani himself isn't going to have enough touches to really influence the offense... let me ask you this... had bargnani gone to the nets would you be this high on the nets offense? honestly

smackeddog wrote:

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:In my opinion beno udrih was the most important free agent pickup

-nice mid range game
-good in transition
-passes the ball
-could replace ray

What do others think about udrih?

I think it is sad that you feel an average, journeyman, backup guard is our most important FA pickup...

doesn't say much about our offseason..

Not everyone one on the team has to be an all star- it's a good signing as he fits a need. He's a role player and you need those.

if you know anything about me, that is one thing I do know and appreciate... it would have been nice to actually get something we needed tho.. which is why saying beno was the most important piece this offeason a bit odd... but whatever..

tkf wrote:

callmened wrote:In my opinion beno udrih was the most important free agent pickup

-nice mid range game
-good in transition
-passes the ball
-could replace ray

What do others think about udrih?

I think it is sad that you feel an average, journeyman, backup guard is our most important FA pickup...

doesn't say much about our offseason..

Thats just my opinion. Dont forget we were broke with omly 3mill to spend