dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

Shoot the open shot, if it's a three, why shouldnt they?

I wished JR would have taken more instead of that step-back brick.

Im more referring to the period where we began just jacking them up with the shot clock winding down. Granted, we were dealing with some injuries.

JRs step back is here to stay.

My guess is that the team is looking good shooting in camp so far. We still have Hopla and there are some good shooters on the roster. Going with a spread offense works for this team. As long as they add in some variety to the play calling and move the ball I don't really get concerned with quality 3pt shots. Just don't like wild guarded 3pt shooting.

Thats why I think Bargs starts. He provides the spacing needed for that to work. Of course, theres always the option of starting the same unit to finish the season last year but I dont know about that one.

starting him would be a fatal mistake

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

nixluva wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

knickscity wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Ian Begley @IanBegley about 1 hour ago
Sounds like the #Knicks plan to shoot 3s at or near the pace they established last year. "I’m not going to ever take that away," Woody said.

Since this is already a thread on Woodson I'll put this here.
Hopefully the Knicks dont rely too much on the 3 this year.

Shoot the open shot, if it's a three, why shouldnt they?

I wished JR would have taken more instead of that step-back brick.

Im more referring to the period where we began just jacking them up with the shot clock winding down. Granted, we were dealing with some injuries.

JRs step back is here to stay.

My guess is that the team is looking good shooting in camp so far. We still have Hopla and there are some good shooters on the roster. Going with a spread offense works for this team. As long as they add in some variety to the play calling and move the ball I don't really get concerned with quality 3pt shots. Just don't like wild guarded 3pt shooting.

Thats why I think Bargs starts. He provides the spacing needed for that to work. Of course, theres always the option of starting the same unit to finish the season last year but I dont know about that one.

starting him would be a fatal mistake

Haha I agree. What else would you go with though?

1)point guard who is best at orchestrating-- two point guard offense is a losing proposition for perimeter defense and puts too much pressure on chandler as a last line of defense on penetration. i want to see what udrih can do but will woodson allow it or continue to play favorites

2)shumpert is a willing defender and must be given a chance to develop this season-- two point guards preclude that

3)artest is slower but loves to defend and being an eager and willing defender is contagious

4)melo

5)chandler

artest and melo can swap if necessary the defensive assignments but again... you have to have willing defenders out there. artest doesn't need the ball on offense like bargnani does so that too is a plus.

Papabear wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:Woody's a good regular season coach but I feel his statements let the air out of the team. Last year all we heard was championship talk and the Knicks were displaying championship aspiration in their play. Knicks lose two games and Woody goes on record that were just trying to win our division. What happened to Championship and getting the best record. The team has the pedal to the metal and Woody pulls the emergency brakes with his statements. If you give the players a chance to be let off the hook they will take it every time. The scariest part of last year was once the Knicks met their coaches goal of division title after that what were you going to get from the team. Poor player performance poor coaching. That is exactly what we saw in the playoffs.

It's like a sales meeting. The boss never puts up numbers that are attainable. I don't understand Woody logic in this instance.

While I don't think Woody needed to guarantee a championship, I absolutely agree. It is basic psychology that you set the bar higher than a minimum goal like winning the division if you want to succeed. The moment the team feels they've fulfilled their goal is the moment the team is doomed.

Papabear Says

The goal for every team is to win a championship every year. No one wants to say we are just gonna throw away the season. Other bad teams who are headed to the lottery plays every game to win. throwing games is cheating and against the rules so you try to win every game and hopefully a championship.

This entire post is total misinformation or delusion, probably both.

Some teams are currently just developing players, some hope to make the playoffs, some hope to win it all.

Team goals are determined by their situation.

You think the Bobcats or the Kings have gone into the season recently talking titles?

Teams will definitely be tanking this season.

Papabear Says

Ask MJ is he not trying to win a championship. He will say yes he is trying to win a championship.

Losing this much not in plan

Jordan also said that while the Bobcats are in a rebuilding mode, he never anticipated a season where the team would finish last in the league, much less with what could be the worst winning percentage in NBA history.

His team has lost 22 games in a row, but he insisted this season’s results won’t dissuade him from the rebuilding plan that started with the trades of veterans Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson last season.

Jordan and the front office concluded then that the veteran team they assembled had no long-term prospect of pursuing a title. The trades brought draft picks that helped them acquire rookies Bismack Biyombo and Kemba Walker.

“This was going to be a trying year – we knew that,” Jordan said. “But did we want to chase the most Ping-Pong balls (in the May 30 draft lottery)? No way.”

“Ever since I’ve owned the team (buying control from founder Bob Johnson), I think we’ve made some very positive moves on the business side. We had to make a difficult decision to turn over the (basketball) talent. This year the talent we had didn’t respond, but that doesn’t cause me to turn my back on the plan.”

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/article_0fbc7d64-8c86-527a-b3df-eea54ab8f18b.html

Jordan knows he's in rebuild mode, there are no titles to talk about now or in the immediate future.

He actually dismantled the one team he had that made the playoffs.

Here's another article where he basically comes to grips his team sucks ass both on and off the court.....

"Ultimately we still have to play the game at a high level, which is what the Hornets did for a long period of time," Jordan said. "Changing the name does not guarantee that we're going to be a playoff-contending team. We still have a lot of work to do to build that. I'm not walking away from that. It is what it is."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9299388/charlotte-bobcats-changing-name-charlotte-hornets-michael-jordan-says

it's so bad in charlotte. Jordan is just happy to get the name back...anything is better than nothing at this point.

jrodmc wrote:

Coach Mike Woodson, who is more apt to reveal his ATM passwords than his lineups, stayed true to form, saying, “I don’t know who’s going to start yet.”

Woody doesn't know what his starting line up is yet? Obviously a loser, non-committal attitude that will spill over to the players performance.

Meanwhile, alternate reporting in Somber/lose-lose land alternate reality world:

Coach Mike Woodson, who is more apt to believe that his past coaching record belies more about his players' shortcomings than his ability to out coach Phil Jax, Red Auerbach, Coach K and Lenny Wilkens while blindfolded and sleeping, stayed true to form, saying, "We are built to win it all, NOW. I don't want to hear no bleeping bleep about the improvement of the rest of the league, the division, the East or how much mileage Chandler and KMart have. We are going to win it all, this season, NOW. Fo - Fo - Fo! Book it, ya bastids!"

Then we could read endless threads and posts about our deranged, irrational unimaginative Dolanite minion coach who's trying to justify courtside seating prices and 37.50 for one sabrett.

I rely haven't heard any contending team in the east player or coach boasting about winning it all, the object is to win the ECF 1st, and believe or not, your going to need some luck en route to doing that..

loweyecue wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Don't whack Woody. Stroke Woody.

Not when Woody folds under pressure.

then you beat woody

knickscity wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

loweyecue wrote:

BasketballJones wrote:Don't whack Woody. Stroke Woody.

Not when Woody folds under pressure.

then you beat woody

Or use a pump on Woody.

Woody likes to be hard on his players

knickscity wrote:

Papabear wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Papabear wrote:

Dagger wrote:

Vmart wrote:Woody's a good regular season coach but I feel his statements let the air out of the team. Last year all we heard was championship talk and the Knicks were displaying championship aspiration in their play. Knicks lose two games and Woody goes on record that were just trying to win our division. What happened to Championship and getting the best record. The team has the pedal to the metal and Woody pulls the emergency brakes with his statements. If you give the players a chance to be let off the hook they will take it every time. The scariest part of last year was once the Knicks met their coaches goal of division title after that what were you going to get from the team. Poor player performance poor coaching. That is exactly what we saw in the playoffs.

It's like a sales meeting. The boss never puts up numbers that are attainable. I don't understand Woody logic in this instance.

While I don't think Woody needed to guarantee a championship, I absolutely agree. It is basic psychology that you set the bar higher than a minimum goal like winning the division if you want to succeed. The moment the team feels they've fulfilled their goal is the moment the team is doomed.

Papabear Says

The goal for every team is to win a championship every year. No one wants to say we are just gonna throw away the season. Other bad teams who are headed to the lottery plays every game to win. throwing games is cheating and against the rules so you try to win every game and hopefully a championship.

This entire post is total misinformation or delusion, probably both.

Some teams are currently just developing players, some hope to make the playoffs, some hope to win it all.

Team goals are determined by their situation.

You think the Bobcats or the Kings have gone into the season recently talking titles?

Teams will definitely be tanking this season.

Papabear Says

Ask MJ is he not trying to win a championship. He will say yes he is trying to win a championship.

I dont have to ask him...i can quote him.

Losing this much not in plan

Jordan also said that while the Bobcats are in a rebuilding mode, he never anticipated a season where the team would finish last in the league, much less with what could be the worst winning percentage in NBA history.

His team has lost 22 games in a row, but he insisted this season’s results won’t dissuade him from the rebuilding plan that started with the trades of veterans Gerald Wallace and Stephen Jackson last season.

Jordan and the front office concluded then that the veteran team they assembled had no long-term prospect of pursuing a title. The trades brought draft picks that helped them acquire rookies Bismack Biyombo and Kemba Walker.

“This was going to be a trying year – we knew that,” Jordan said. “But did we want to chase the most Ping-Pong balls (in the May 30 draft lottery)? No way.”

“Ever since I’ve owned the team (buying control from founder Bob Johnson), I think we’ve made some very positive moves on the business side. We had to make a difficult decision to turn over the (basketball) talent. This year the talent we had didn’t respond, but that doesn’t cause me to turn my back on the plan.”

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/article_0fbc7d64-8c86-527a-b3df-eea54ab8f18b.html

Jordan knows he's in rebuild mode, there are no titles to talk about now or in the immediate future.

He actually dismantled the one team he had that made the playoffs.

Here's another article where he basically comes to grips his team sucks ass both on and off the court.....

"Ultimately we still have to play the game at a high level, which is what the Hornets did for a long period of time," Jordan said. "Changing the name does not guarantee that we're going to be a playoff-contending team. We still have a lot of work to do to build that. I'm not walking away from that. It is what it is."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/9299388/charlotte-bobcats-changing-name-charlotte-hornets-michael-jordan-says

it's so bad in charlotte. Jordan is just happy to get the name back...anything is better than nothing at this point.

Rebuilding and saying it's going to be a challenge does not mean his team is not trying to win the championship. Oh yes they are the underdogs. But everytime they go out on the court the coach make a plan to win win win and that goes for every team.

raven wrote:

Vmart wrote:Last year Knicks were all in on championship talk and then Woody let everyone off the hook by talking about division title lowering expectations. This year's expectations are even lower. I Don't understand Woody's need to say what he does, sometimes it's best to let the team play it out. When your coach doesn't believe in the team as a Championship contender what kind of precedence does that set for the team.

Do you honnestly believe this team is a contender? If yes, there may lie the issue.
The first step to improve is accept that you suck.
The Knicks never did that and fooled themselves into believing they were contenders.

Hence, the Knicks sucked for years, still suck now and will probably still suck in the near future.

You're missing the point. We all know this team isn't championship material. As a coach your not suppose to say or even imply that you are not championship worthy. Now that the players know they are not championship material they don't even have to be playoff material. When statements are made like that effort level will be lowered. And now Woody is questioning effort and he isn't here to teach effort, when the coach doesn't realize he is directly related to effort given then your going to have problems.