misterearl wrote:Please point out how this thread title is telling someome what to feel or think... Or torture themselves.

It's only basketball.

I think it's pretty clear from the thread title that you are suggesting fans are torturing themselves...lol why do you care?
If it's only basketball, can we just talk about your opinions on the team like your reply to my post as opposed to the fans like your thread title? (btw, i agree with some of the things you have said in the reply to my post.... but I think the state of the Knicks today as you put it is a bit of an exaggeration and players and people do not change overnight.

Felton needs to be as light as he was when he first came into this league. His "chocolate boy" reputation is not unwarranted. Chandler... same thing, another key piece to see if he can actually hold on to the weight and battle with Hibbert. Don't you think those concerns are valid?

Really?

misterearl wrote:Cartman718 - a good thread title gets the conversation going. Get unstuck on it as a means to manage opinion... or some type of agenda to bash people. It is not.

misterearl wrote:Cool

Bonn1997 wrote:I'm just here to stalk you.

Bonn1997 - you know The Answer Man digs you more than his red-headed step cousin Eugene, but how do you think of Cole Alrich getting a steady diet of 12-15 minutes a night will raise his productivity to a consistent and acceptable NBA level?

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Chips R Us

IronWillGiroud wrote:

and woody is going to be a problem you can't deny the problems,

we're in a rough patch right now as a fanbase, going on 15 years or so of doom and gloom,

please do not cite last year's 54 fugazy wins!

what do we demand? a chip. when are we gonna get it? no one knows at this rate!!!

What is a chip?

Read thread title Carefully

i read it again, very carefully:

you wish The People of this Great Land to lower our expectations for this club,

i can't do that! i can't let The People do that--- this is New York, the Mecca, the home of basketball and also home of the biggest cash money purse in the league,

no excuses.

Yeah, I find it puzzling that you're a somber and not a real fan unless you have low expectations. It's like saying you don't love your kid if you expect him to get a high number of "A"s.

I suspect that you guys know the difference between "fan expectations" and "fan complaining" on a message board. In case you are unclear on this, here are some examples -

Destructive Complaint - the Knicks are never going to win as long as Dolan owns the team so why bother

Constructive Expectation - My hope is that Dolan alters his management style to hire/let his basketball people do their jobs in order for the Knicks to fuction more efficiently in the long term.

Destructive Complaint - Melo is a self-absorbed, egotistical ball hog who makes ever player around him less efficient and I have a higher dislike for the Knicks because he is on the team

Constructive Expectation - Melo needs to allow himself to be a decoy more often to get his teammates more involved in better positions to score

Destructive Complaint - 54 wins last season means squat and does not impress me

Constuctive Expectation - 54 wins last season and a division title was a step in the right direction, especially compared to performance over the past decade - however I expect to go deeper into the playoffs this year or I will be dissapointed.

IronWillGiroud wrote:Your" constructive expectations" are alarming delusions.

I'm not on dolans payroll.

Our club is effed, that's the hand we were dealt in life.

In this age of expanded media coverage, league passes and the interwebs you can have access to any team at any time....so if you feel "effed" there is nothing stopping you from moving on and easily following another. I guess I just don't comprehend why someone would continue to feel beaten down or effed and keep going back to the well for more. The beauty of sports (at least to me) is that you can be eternally optimistic with each new season. No matter how bad your team seems.....you never know.....and that is why you play the games as the cliche goes. Hey, even the Pirates made the playoffs this year. Further, I'm not sure what "being on Dolan's payroll" means or has to do with being hopeful or optimistic as a fan going in to a season. Fans of every team in every sport are optimistic with every new season - so it's not like this is some new movement in sports fandom.

I guess I just don't feel a need to go home and kick my dog or post negative comments on a message board for the next month with each Knick loss. Just does not seem like a productive use of my time.....but again.....that's just alarmingly delusionally optimistic old me I guess.

knickscity wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Chips R Us

IronWillGiroud wrote:

and woody is going to be a problem you can't deny the problems,

we're in a rough patch right now as a fanbase, going on 15 years or so of doom and gloom,

please do not cite last year's 54 fugazy wins!

what do we demand? a chip. when are we gonna get it? no one knows at this rate!!!

What is a chip?

Read thread title Carefully

i read it again, very carefully:

you wish The People of this Great Land to lower our expectations for this club,

i can't do that! i can't let The People do that--- this is New York, the Mecca, the home of basketball and also home of the biggest cash money purse in the league,

no excuses.

Yeah, I find it puzzling that you're a somber and not a real fan unless you have low expectations. It's like saying you don't love your kid if you expect him to get a high number of "A"s.

I suspect that you guys know the difference between "fan expectations" and "fan complaining" on a message board. In case you are unclear on this, here are some examples -

Destructive Complaint - the Knicks are never going to win as long as Dolan owns the team so why bother

Constructive Expectation - My hope is that Dolan alters his management style to hire/let his basketball people do their jobs in order for the Knicks to fuction more efficiently in the long term.

Destructive Complaint - Melo is a self-absorbed, egotistical ball hog who makes ever player around him less efficient and I have a higher dislike for the Knicks because he is on the team

Constructive Expectation - Melo needs to allow himself to be a decoy more often to get his teammates more involved in better positions to score

Destructive Complaint - 54 wins last season means squat and does not impress me

Constuctive Expectation - 54 wins last season and a division title was a step in the right direction, especially compared to performance over the past decade - however I expect to go deeper into the playoffs this year or I will be dissapointed.

Your first CE doesnt even makes sense.

Your second one is how i felt last year....so nope, I'm not riding that wave this year. the 54 did nothing to enhance our playoff run.

Well there you go. Guess you have it all figured out then.

knickscity wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:

misterearl wrote:Chips R Us

IronWillGiroud wrote:

and woody is going to be a problem you can't deny the problems,

we're in a rough patch right now as a fanbase, going on 15 years or so of doom and gloom,

please do not cite last year's 54 fugazy wins!

what do we demand? a chip. when are we gonna get it? no one knows at this rate!!!

What is a chip?

Read thread title Carefully

i read it again, very carefully:

you wish The People of this Great Land to lower our expectations for this club,

i can't do that! i can't let The People do that--- this is New York, the Mecca, the home of basketball and also home of the biggest cash money purse in the league,

no excuses.

Yeah, I find it puzzling that you're a somber and not a real fan unless you have low expectations. It's like saying you don't love your kid if you expect him to get a high number of "A"s.

I suspect that you guys know the difference between "fan expectations" and "fan complaining" on a message board. In case you are unclear on this, here are some examples -

Destructive Complaint - the Knicks are never going to win as long as Dolan owns the team so why bother

Constructive Expectation - My hope is that Dolan alters his management style to hire/let his basketball people do their jobs in order for the Knicks to fuction more efficiently in the long term.

Destructive Complaint - Melo is a self-absorbed, egotistical ball hog who makes ever player around him less efficient and I have a higher dislike for the Knicks because he is on the team

Constructive Expectation - Melo needs to allow himself to be a decoy more often to get his teammates more involved in better positions to score

Destructive Complaint - 54 wins last season means squat and does not impress me

Constuctive Expectation - 54 wins last season and a division title was a step in the right direction, especially compared to performance over the past decade - however I expect to go deeper into the playoffs this year or I will be dissapointed.

Your first CE doesnt even makes sense.

Your second one is how i felt last year....so nope, I'm not riding that wave this year. the 54 did nothing to enhance our playoff run.

knickscity wrote:

misterearl wrote:Thank You for not watching

Your second one is how i felt last year....so nope, I'm not riding that wave this year. the 54 did nothing to enhance our playoff run.

The bigness and resentment towards this franchise, on a discussion dedicated to Knicks basketball... Not Knicks politics or behind the scenes drama... Knicks BASKETBALL... is astounding.

Of course, one affects the other but nee owner Bill Bradley and his 212 posse are not walking through that door anytime soon. The point being... It IS a new season and not even The Answer Man can foretell how it will play.

“I think Woody reminds me of Phil Jackson a little bit, with the exception Phil ran the triangle [offense]. As far as holding people accountable, figuring it out, Woody will put in a system on defense and offense and expects us to play together and be smart [like Phil].’’ - MWP

You can either watch expecting things to go wrong ... fearful of anything that goes bump in the night... spooked by ghosts of Charlie Ward, Rick Brunson and Cuttino Mobley... Or watch with an open mind.

You make the call.

What is this nonsense?

knickscity wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

misterearl wrote:Thank You for not watching

Your second one is how i felt last year....so nope, I'm not riding that wave this year. the 54 did nothing to enhance our playoff run.

The bigness and resentment towards this franchise, on a discussion dedicated to Knicks basketball... Not Knicks politics or behind the scenes drama... Knicks BASKETBALL... is astounding.

Of course, one affects the other but nee owner Bill Bradley and his 212 posse are not walking through that door anytime soon. The point being... It IS a new season and not even The Answer Man can foretell how it will play.

“I think Woody reminds me of Phil Jackson a little bit, with the exception Phil ran the triangle [offense]. As far as holding people accountable, figuring it out, Woody will put in a system on defense and offense and expects us to play together and be smart [like Phil].’’ - MWP

You can either watch expecting things to go wrong ... fearful of anything that goes bump in the night... spooked by ghosts of Charlie Ward, Rick Brunson and Cuttino Mobley... Or watch with an open mind.

You make the call.

What is this nonsense?

A few posters like Misterearl come here just to air all their complaining.

Complaining about complaining? The board has arrived....

You mean him complaining about the criticisms others have made?