tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

you are 100% correct, but we both know, there is no evidence to show that he is the type of guy that will take less in order to be in a better situation.. we saw it as he forced his way here.. he didn't care what the knicks had to give up.. he wanted his money, and his wife's reality show..... he is going to money grab, and do so at the expense of the knicks.. why not? most fans still will think he is the "greatest" and doesn't have "help"... the same old, same old...story..

I never begrudge anyone the money they can earn and I find it intellectually dishonest when people call for athletes to take less. Would you take a voluntary 33% pay cut next year so your organization can achieve a higher standing? I just don't see many people saying.....hey, please cut my $100K salary to $66K next year so the department can bring in some new blood.

If the Knicks sign Melo to a $25 mil long term contract....it is on them, not Melo.

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

you are 100% correct, but we both know, there is no evidence to show that he is the type of guy that will take less in order to be in a better situation.. we saw it as he forced his way here.. he didn't care what the knicks had to give up.. he wanted his money, and his wife's reality show..... he is going to money grab, and do so at the expense of the knicks.. why not? most fans still will think he is the "greatest" and doesn't have "help"... the same old, same old...story..

I never begrudge anyone the money they can earn and I find it intellectually dishonest when people call for athletes to take less. Would you take a voluntary 33% pay cut next year so your organization can achieve a higher standing? I just don't see many people saying.....hey, please cut my $100K salary to $66K next year so the department can bring in some new blood.

If the Knicks sign Melo to a $25 mil long term contract....it is on them, not Melo.

I find it intellectually dishonest when someone compares average people making average money accepting a paycut and multimillionaires accepting a paycut.

Thats all use need to know.

Knixkik wrote:

tkf wrote:

skeng wrote:"I'm not going nowhere,"

So wait, is Melo going anywhere or what? It looks to me like he pulled a double negative on everyone's asses

lol, I noticed that from the start, but left that alone. honestly what do you expect from that dude...

That last sentence is why no one takes you seriously on anything Melo related. You are criticizing him beyond his basketball ability. Who really cares smh.

basketball ability alone is not making a winner.
Melo is great bbal talent but weak personality.
If Knicks want to pay him just for his bbal talents he should get the max.

To win titles... or just to win the game.. the athlete needs much more that just basketball/any-other-sport ability.
Most of the time it is not even the main ingredient.

VCoug wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

if he doesn't stay for less then the whole "coming home" angle is exposed as hypocrisy-- not only that but it is proof positive that doesn't truly believe he can win in new york or anywhere else for that matter as the main guy.

he isn't as good as these other guys and the sooner he realizes that the sooner he can ask for an amount that is less inflated, more realistic... if he want's a legit shot at winning.

you are 100% correct, but we both know, there is no evidence to show that he is the type of guy that will take less in order to be in a better situation.. we saw it as he forced his way here.. he didn't care what the knicks had to give up.. he wanted his money, and his wife's reality show..... he is going to money grab, and do so at the expense of the knicks.. why not? most fans still will think he is the "greatest" and doesn't have "help"... the same old, same old...story..

I never begrudge anyone the money they can earn and I find it intellectually dishonest when people call for athletes to take less. Would you take a voluntary 33% pay cut next year so your organization can achieve a higher standing? I just don't see many people saying.....hey, please cut my $100K salary to $66K next year so the department can bring in some new blood.

If the Knicks sign Melo to a $25 mil long term contract....it is on them, not Melo.

I find it intellectually dishonest when someone compares average people making average money accepting a paycut and multimillionaires accepting a paycut.

If you truly felt the way you claim, you should be asking the NBA owners to take pay cuts first.

I dont agree though and feel that We are all entitled to go out and seek whatever wages we can earn....while we can earn them. If someone is making Millions but only has a limited window to do so, why is is more altruistic for them to take a voluntary 33% pay cut than the person making $200K? Should the person making $20k expect someone making $200K to give back a large chunk of his salary voluntarily as well?

Would Melo be a better guy if he took less and went to a team with no state taxes so it appeared he was being a better guy like Lebron and Bosh?

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:Love Melo on the Knicks, but if he's going to get near "Kobe Bryant" type money annually for his next contract, we're phucking doomed...

Can't build a contender with a 30 yr old+ eating most of the cap. Been through it before with Allan Houston and Amare...

you can if that 30 year old is lebron, or maybe durant...

you're so predictable, you should reaaly look into a job at Greenwich.

Except for the fact that you're so predictably wrong...

tkf wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

i THINK that is the most ridiculous comment I have ever heard. but the again, it's mike and mike.. so go figure..

considering Jordan and pippen, Magic and Kareem, and even Lebron and Wade, those comments are of the odd variety... a lot of sensationalism.....

but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

marginal improvements does not win rings... not when you are not close to winning in the first place..

I forgot - Rome was in fact built in a day. it wasn't too long ago the roster featured Jamal Crawford and Zach Randolph.

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

knickscity wrote:

martin wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

Vmart wrote:Knicks shouldn't pay that kind of money to a below 50% shooter.

I'm not saying Melo is as good as Kobe Bryant but there are players worth the money that shoot below 50 percent

I hope the Knicks would offer Melo something like $110 mil over 5 and try to negotiate

To brign Kobe up again, the LAkers plan A is to pair Kobe with Melo. On Mike and Mike in the Morning, they say that Melo and LBJ would be arguably the greatest tandem the league has ever seen. Think about that for a second. Melo has to do more, but he also needs some of the right pieces. I know the trade set that process back a little, but all I know is the roster keeps (marginally) improving around him.

for me the offer should be tied to how his salary fits into the whole team's salary structure, including other FA players in 2015. If he starts out at say ~$15M with max increases and Knicks able to snag another max candidate or so, I'm all for it. If the offer starts at $20M and all we can do is sign someone not on roster for $7M, then what's the point?

I'm sorry, there is no way he does that....and if he did...why do it here, any team could clear space to offer him that.

To be honest, Melo's salary will be dictated by what happens this season....if the team regresses, then there should be no talks of a max deal...and he can and should walk.

Now if the team does reach the ECF and battle Miami...even in a loss, the job is done imo...get your money playa.

A static season of 2nd round flame out should command a modest reduction, which i doubt he takes, but will be required to move forward.

But 15 mil starting is a pipe dream, he isn't giving up 8 mil a season.

I dont think there has been a star player in the history of the game who's fiven up that much at his age.

Dirk was 32, KG was 34...Kidd was 36, Duncan I think was 32 or 33.

Thats asking alot from a then to be newly turned 30 year old.

what does age have to do with it? Melo already has had a max contract and another max extension after that. LeBron, Wade, Bosh have already set the bar for taking less money to play together.

If NY and Melo are serious about putting together a contender, they need to look at the simple math.

No bars have been set, those guys net pay is no different from melo's...only difference is their home states tax.....which doesnt exist, it offsets the 2 mil dollar difference, and to be honest when factoring in those taxes...Lebron and Co...MAKE MORE.

And age has EVERYTHING to do with it...you're suggesting melo do something no one in his stature has ever done at his age.

To even suggest a 15 mil starting salary is hilarious.

That's nearly a 35% paycut, lebron wade and Bosh did nothing of that nature.

If you want to compare apples with apples, you can't focus ONLY on the income tax differences. Off-court marketing opportunities in the NY metro market dwarf what is available anywhere else, including LA & Chitown. When you also consider the impact of this market on the "brand" reach that can extend earnings beyond the end of Melo's career, especially if he brings a chip to NYC, then you move the discussion into a different ballpark. Melo is savvy enough of a businessman to "get" the full picture of his lifetime earning potential.

Melo at slightly less money now + championship dream in NYC fulfilled > Melo @ max money now with no chip in his career.

It's a risk (because he might not win a chip) but I believe for most elite athletes, winning > guaranteed money.