knickscity wrote:

Vmart wrote:It doesn't matter where you finish in the division what matters is making the playoffs and raising the hardware. It doesn't matter where you lose in the playoffs, it just means you didn't win a championship.

I'm really not going out on a limb on this the Knicks aren't going to win a championship. I also know for a fact that 100% of the board agrees with me.

And you know what? I can totally live with that, as long as they get to play the team that goes on to the championship round in latter rounds, but I'm not sold they will, they didnt improve on what was their problems....defense, rebounding, efficient offense, mental toguhness.

A teams biggest acquisition cant be a 7 foot JR Smith.

It is more likely this team will lose in the first round than make the ecf.

I'd be surprised if they get back to the second round.

their best bet is to capture the 3rd seed which is likely too big a mountain to climb.

dk7th wrote:

knickscity wrote:

Vmart wrote:It doesn't matter where you finish in the division what matters is making the playoffs and raising the hardware. It doesn't matter where you lose in the playoffs, it just means you didn't win a championship.

I'm really not going out on a limb on this the Knicks aren't going to win a championship. I also know for a fact that 100% of the board agrees with me.

And you know what? I can totally live with that, as long as they get to play the team that goes on to the championship round in latter rounds, but I'm not sold they will, they didnt improve on what was their problems....defense, rebounding, efficient offense, mental toguhness.

A teams biggest acquisition cant be a 7 foot JR Smith.

It is more likely this team will lose in the first round than make the ecf.

I'd be surprised if they get back to the second round.

their best bet is to capture the 3rd seed which is likely too big a mountain to climb.

Miami, Indy, Chi and NY could be interchanged imo, are likely the top seeds.

I have no doubt the Knicks will be trying to go balls to the wall again to get the division title, then be too beat to compete.

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

Firstly a regular season loss doesnt bother me at all, only playoff losses concern me.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

Firstly a regular season loss doesnt bother me at all, only playoff losses concern me.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

I agree, we never really showed up in the playoffs- that was a huge disappointment. I really didn't enjoy the playoffs at all, even putting away the Celtics was ruined by our 2 game collapse, and our end of game collapse.

To me injuries played a big factor. People can go "oh it's an excuse", but all of our main players were ailing.

The development of Paul George was a direct result of Granger being out...he literally slid into Granger role.

You can pretty much see these results on just about every single playoff team.

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

Firstly a regular season loss doesnt bother me at all, only playoff losses concern me.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

I agree, we never really showed up in the playoffs- that was a huge disappointment. I really didn't enjoy the playoffs at all, even putting away the Celtics was ruined by our 2 game collapse, and our end of game collapse.

To me injuries played a big factor. People can go "oh it's an excuse", but all of our main players were ailing.

Injuries are a big excuse, Celtics had their issues and so did Pacers. The Knicks game plan was awful, players were struggling and some bad habits came back to bite the Knicks. Look at the Bulls they were injury plagued but they showed a lot of fight can't say the same for the Knicks. Good coaching is a big factor in how a team responds.

knickscity wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

Firstly a regular season loss doesnt bother me at all, only playoff losses concern me.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

The Knicks did break down and lost in the second round but they were still competitive against Indy. Were not talking about epic first round flameouts like the Mavs, Sonics or even the Nuggets to a lesser extent. Teams don't uusually go from perennial first round knock out to champions or even conference finalists. The core is intact and hopefully the Knicks build on that and the new, younger vets hold up and can contribute for the entire season and post season.

The Pacers had a commanding 3-1 series lead at one point, it wasnt nearly as competitive as individual scores indicate.

But you're right teams dont usually go from first round to ECF, but this team did go from a bottom seed to a top seed, where all they had to do was keep serve on home court and win a road game......they did neither.

That's why I think the Knicks won't match last season record. I definitely don't see them getting out of first round next season.

Vmart wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

Firstly a regular season loss doesnt bother me at all, only playoff losses concern me.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

I agree, we never really showed up in the playoffs- that was a huge disappointment. I really didn't enjoy the playoffs at all, even putting away the Celtics was ruined by our 2 game collapse, and our end of game collapse.

To me injuries played a big factor. People can go "oh it's an excuse", but all of our main players were ailing.

Injuries are a big excuse, Celtics had their issues and so did Pacers. The Knicks game plan was awful, players were struggling and some bad habits came back to bite the Knicks. Look at the Bulls they were injury plagued but they showed a lot of fight can't say the same for the Knicks. Good coaching is a big factor in how a team responds.

This injuries as an excuse is BS- injuries are a fact- you are not as good when your players get injured. Did you see Ginobli in the playoffs? A healthy Ginobli means the Spurs win the championship! You think the outcome of the Pacers series would have been the same if George had a separated shoulder, David West was recovering from his second knee op, Stephenson had a chipped patella and meniscus tear and Hibbert had been out with a bum neck and flu the last month of the season and was 10lbs lighter? You think the Thunder wouldn't have gotten further if Westbrook hadn't got injured?

smackeddog wrote:

Vmart wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

Firstly a regular season loss doesnt bother me at all, only playoff losses concern me.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

I agree, we never really showed up in the playoffs- that was a huge disappointment. I really didn't enjoy the playoffs at all, even putting away the Celtics was ruined by our 2 game collapse, and our end of game collapse.

To me injuries played a big factor. People can go "oh it's an excuse", but all of our main players were ailing.

Injuries are a big excuse, Celtics had their issues and so did Pacers. The Knicks game plan was awful, players were struggling and some bad habits came back to bite the Knicks. Look at the Bulls they were injury plagued but they showed a lot of fight can't say the same for the Knicks. Good coaching is a big factor in how a team responds.

This injuries as an excuse is BS- injuries are a fact- you are not as good when your players get injured. Did you see Ginobli in the playoffs? A healthy Ginobli means the Spurs win the championship! You think the outcome of the Pacers series would have been the same if George had a separated shoulder, David West was recovering from his second knee op, Stephenson had a chipped patella and meniscus tear and Hibbert had been out with a bum neck and flu the last month of the season and was 10lbs lighter? You think the Thunder wouldn't have gotten further if Westbrook hadn't got injured?

All teams have injuries and ailments, the better teams have guys who step up and players and coaches recognizing such.

We had guys to step up all season long, even in the playoffs, but ultimately they were not utilized like they should have.

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Vmart wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

Firstly a regular season loss doesnt bother me at all, only playoff losses concern me.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

I agree, we never really showed up in the playoffs- that was a huge disappointment. I really didn't enjoy the playoffs at all, even putting away the Celtics was ruined by our 2 game collapse, and our end of game collapse.

To me injuries played a big factor. People can go "oh it's an excuse", but all of our main players were ailing.

Injuries are a big excuse, Celtics had their issues and so did Pacers. The Knicks game plan was awful, players were struggling and some bad habits came back to bite the Knicks. Look at the Bulls they were injury plagued but they showed a lot of fight can't say the same for the Knicks. Good coaching is a big factor in how a team responds.

This injuries as an excuse is BS- injuries are a fact- you are not as good when your players get injured. Did you see Ginobli in the playoffs? A healthy Ginobli means the Spurs win the championship! You think the outcome of the Pacers series would have been the same if George had a separated shoulder, David West was recovering from his second knee op, Stephenson had a chipped patella and meniscus tear and Hibbert had been out with a bum neck and flu the last month of the season and was 10lbs lighter? You think the Thunder wouldn't have gotten further if Westbrook hadn't got injured?

A healthy Wade and the Spurs would have been swept.

All teams have injuries and ailments, the better teams have guys who step up and players and coaches recognizing such.

We had guys to step up all season long, even in the playoffs, but ultimately they were not utilized like they should have.

CrushAlot wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Vmart wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knickscity wrote:

smackeddog wrote:One thing that confused me about a lot of the more critical posters, was that they seemed to say that the Knicks were actually an over rated mediocre team last season that was worse than their record, but at the same time they under performed in the playoffs. Make up your minds!

Our record wasn't just due to a 10 game stretch to start the season! We were deadly during that winning streak at the end. Clocked some great wins too- beat the Spurs twice, the Thunder, The Heat 3 or 4 times.

Only thing that bothered be was the perpetual ass-whoopings by the Bulls.

Firstly a regular season loss doesnt bother me at all, only playoff losses concern me.

The 54 win team didnt show up in the playoffs....a poor offensive team and a mediocre defensive team did.

yes, they certainly posted some great regular season wins, but that means zero when the lights are brightest.

I agree, we never really showed up in the playoffs- that was a huge disappointment. I really didn't enjoy the playoffs at all, even putting away the Celtics was ruined by our 2 game collapse, and our end of game collapse.

To me injuries played a big factor. People can go "oh it's an excuse", but all of our main players were ailing.

Injuries are a big excuse, Celtics had their issues and so did Pacers. The Knicks game plan was awful, players were struggling and some bad habits came back to bite the Knicks. Look at the Bulls they were injury plagued but they showed a lot of fight can't say the same for the Knicks. Good coaching is a big factor in how a team responds.

This injuries as an excuse is BS- injuries are a fact- you are not as good when your players get injured. Did you see Ginobli in the playoffs? A healthy Ginobli means the Spurs win the championship! You think the outcome of the Pacers series would have been the same if George had a separated shoulder, David West was recovering from his second knee op, Stephenson had a chipped patella and meniscus tear and Hibbert had been out with a bum neck and flu the last month of the season and was 10lbs lighter? You think the Thunder wouldn't have gotten further if Westbrook hadn't got injured?

A healthy Wade and the Spurs would have been swept.

All teams have injuries and ailments, the better teams have guys who step up and players and coaches recognizing such.

We had guys to step up all season long, even in the playoffs, but ultimately they were not utilized like they should have.

Spurs should have won in 6.