tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:Efficiency, that should be the goal. 50% FG if he can't do that then I don't consider him a superstar, good player yes but certainly not superstar worthy.

at this point in his career I really don't expect that at all... he is what he is...

Papabear Says

Ha Ha Ha what else would you expect coming from TKF. He is very predictable.

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:

tkf wrote:

Vmart wrote:Efficiency, that should be the goal. 50% FG if he can't do that then I don't consider him a superstar, good player yes but certainly not superstar worthy.

at this point in his career I really don't expect that at all... he is what he is...

I agree with you. I don't think Melo has it in him to be great. He is at best a good player.

I just don't think he knows how to be great, outside of just not having all of the tools to be great anyway....... you ever see that kid on the playground playing ball.. he will give up 3 straight baskets, but as long as he goes down and gets that one thunderous slam, all is even... you see them, they will trade 3 baskets for one dune, and they feel they won because they "Dunked all in your face" LOL...

Great analysis...

No that's not Melo. That's just you guys sounding like a broken record repeating itself over and over again

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:

tkf wrote:

Nalod wrote:NBA players get better each year. The best have to improve just to keep up.

Melo led the league in scoring last year and was a major draw in the league on one of the flagship franchise's.

He has to imporove just to keep his status. Same for Durant, CP3, Lebron, etc. etc.............

Some still do get better at a rate faster then the rest of the league.

What will Melo do? We'll find out!!!!

Dude is a pure scorer, accept his game for what it is.

ONly guy I can see in the league that can carry a franchise himself is Lebron.

I am curious, I hear that term a lot "pure scorer" what does that mean?

Lead the league in scoring? Not a faciliator. Not a great rebounder. Not a shot blocker.

No, he is not Lebron or michael. yes, many have inflated his stature. He is not and MVP type player.

But he is going to the Hall of fame based on his scoring ability. Thats what he does. Can he be part of an ensomble that can win a championship? Maybe.

YOu don't like the guy, eh?

ok, so all you have to do is lead the lead the league in scoring and do nothing else?

so I guess he is the only pure scorer to ever live then?

I am not sure of your definition nalod..

Alot of great players in the Hall or going to the Hall of Fame weren't all around players, they just excelled at one thing (George Gervin, Dennis Rodman, Mark Jackson).

Just sayin'.

so what are you saying? is the HOF no big deal then? I guess my question is, and again i ask.. what do you guys mean by "pure scorer".....

How many examples do you need of pure scorer? It's been re-stated countless times in this forum since Melo's been here.

I have gotten none that would fit carmelo.. someone mentioned gervin.. well guess what, he and carmelo are worlds apart... Gervin made scoring look easy and he did it as well as anyone has.. ever.. carmelo is the opposite, a lot of clanks, and head down drives to the basket.....

it is funny this guy is called "the best scorer in the league". LOL hell he and lebron came into the league the same year.. lebron has been healthy of course, but played in only 53 more games than carmelo, yet he is over 3000 points ahead of carmelo.... And no one refers to lebron as a "scorer" the best "pure" scorer... I mean carmelo has been given credit and titles for things he just has not earned.. It is sickening..

oh let me add. George Gervin played 10 years in the NBA after coming from the ABA in those 10 years he scorer 20700 points, that is almost 3000 more than carmelo and he did so in the same amount of time... funny how things work out when you actually are efficient... that my friend is a PURE scorer...

But he never won a championship until his career was almost over and he was the 3rd or 4th go to guy.

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Well i'm dealing with realities here and as I mentioned above Melo did show he can be more effective when he plays quick and doesn't just hold the ball on every play. Melo used picks and screens and ran some PnR. He still had his post ups but was smarter in how he used them. This game is more of an idea of what I think Melo does when he's playing more team oriented and in the flow of the offense.

well since you deal in realities.. reality is, he rarely plays this way, it has been like that for 10 years..counting

You just can't imagine that a player can make improvements or changes can you? It's not like people can't mature and make changes to how they play. Amar'e changed his game and proved when he came back that he could be effective playing more in the post. Don't tell me that you have it all figured out and know the future when you don't!!! You can complain and make funny and snide remarks but there's evidence that players to change. Larry Johnson changed his game once he lost his explosion. Michael Jordan changed his game as he got older. I can go on and on about players who did in fact change how they played and until they did people doubted that they ever could and thought like you that it was impossible.

Bruce Bowen came into the league scared to shoot the ball and then he worked on his game and found a niche. Lebron James improved his game having added to his skills and learning to be more selfish when his team needs it. Last I checked Melo is still in his prime and has as much opportunity to improve and make changes as anyone else. Besides it's not a drastic change but a different point of emphasis that is needed. Melo doesn't have to completely eliminate all ISO's just make a small change in the amount of ISO's and making use of more team oriented plays. We just want him to increase the % of plays where he's in the flow of the offense rather than stopping the ball and breaking the offense. We want him to do that for an entire season. Melo says he's actually WORKING ON THIS as part of his off season training. This is something we've NEVER heard him do.

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Well i'm dealing with realities here and as I mentioned above Melo did show he can be more effective when he plays quick and doesn't just hold the ball on every play. Melo used picks and screens and ran some PnR. He still had his post ups but was smarter in how he used them. This game is more of an idea of what I think Melo does when he's playing more team oriented and in the flow of the offense.

well since you deal in realities.. reality is, he rarely plays this way, it has been like that for 10 years..counting

You just can't imagine that a player can make improvements or changes can you? It's not like people can't mature and make changes to how they play. Amar'e changed his game and proved when he came back that he could be effective playing more in the post. Don't tell me that you have it all figured out and know the future when you don't!!! You can complain and make funny and snide remarks but there's evidence that players to change. Larry Johnson changed his game once he lost his explosion. Michael Jordan changed his game as he got older. I can go on and on about players who did in fact change how they played and until they did people doubted that they ever could and thought like you that it was impossible.

Bruce Bowen came into the league scared to shoot the ball and then he worked on his game and found a niche. Lebron James improved his game having added to his skills and learning to be more selfish when his team needs it. Last I checked Melo is still in his prime and has as much opportunity to improve and make changes as anyone else. Besides it's not a drastic change but a different point of emphasis that is needed. Melo doesn't have to completely eliminate all ISO's just make a small change in the amount of ISO's and making use of more team oriented plays. We just want him to increase the % of plays where he's in the flow of the offense rather than stopping the ball and breaking the offense. We want him to do that for an entire season. Melo says he's actually WORKING ON THIS as part of his off season training. This is something we've NEVER heard him do.

you are living in a fantasy world. at this point it's all about deeds not mamby-pamby words and fluff pieces. we've heard the same empty and unfulfilled promises and claims each year. seeing is believing.

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tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Well i'm dealing with realities here and as I mentioned above Melo did show he can be more effective when he plays quick and doesn't just hold the ball on every play. Melo used picks and screens and ran some PnR. He still had his post ups but was smarter in how he used them. This game is more of an idea of what I think Melo does when he's playing more team oriented and in the flow of the offense.

well since you deal in realities.. reality is, he rarely plays this way, it has been like that for 10 years..counting

i disagree about things being the same for the past 10 years. That being said are you the same person you were at 19? How about 24? 26? My guess is you would say you have evolved. Would you want someone to say you couldnt adapt and improve at 29? Come on now. You said you dislike this guy so much you hate his face. Might be time to stay away from him as a topic. There isnt any objectivity to your posts when it comes to this guy.

For Melo to shoot 48-50% from the field he has to shoot 60-63% near the rim. Like I stated earlier, Melo running the pick and pop with Bargs offensively could do wonders. The opponents big man sticks with Bargs, Melo has close to a clear path to the rim. Big man hangs back to prevent Melo from attacking the rim and Bargs gets off a clean shot and Melo ups his ast.

nixluva wrote:

tkf wrote:

nixluva wrote:Well i'm dealing with realities here and as I mentioned above Melo did show he can be more effective when he plays quick and doesn't just hold the ball on every play. Melo used picks and screens and ran some PnR. He still had his post ups but was smarter in how he used them. This game is more of an idea of what I think Melo does when he's playing more team oriented and in the flow of the offense.

well since you deal in realities.. reality is, he rarely plays this way, it has been like that for 10 years..counting

You just can't imagine that a player can make improvements or changes can you? It's not like people can't mature and make changes to how they play. Amar'e changed his game and proved when he came back that he could be effective playing more in the post. Don't tell me that you have it all figured out and know the future when you don't!!! You can complain and make funny and snide remarks but there's evidence that players to change. Larry Johnson changed his game once he lost his explosion. Michael Jordan changed his game as he got older. I can go on and on about players who did in fact change how they played and until they did people doubted that they ever could and thought like you that it was impossible.

Bruce Bowen came into the league scared to shoot the ball and then he worked on his game and found a niche. Lebron James improved his game having added to his skills and learning to be more selfish when his team needs it. Last I checked Melo is still in his prime and has as much opportunity to improve and make changes as anyone else. Besides it's not a drastic change but a different point of emphasis that is needed. Melo doesn't have to completely eliminate all ISO's just make a small change in the amount of ISO's and making use of more team oriented plays. We just want him to increase the % of plays where he's in the flow of the offense rather than stopping the ball and breaking the offense. We want him to do that for an entire season. Melo says he's actually WORKING ON THIS as part of his off season training. This is something we've NEVER heard him do.

Nixluva why do you wast your time trying to explain to someone who hate Melo with a passion, even though any and every team in the league would go out of there way to get him. Why is that. We have the best season in 13 or more years and TKF is complaining as though we came in last place. The other thing is he never put such a hate on like this until we started winning. So I question and will always question what kind of true fan he really is. He never have anything positive to say about the Knicks without throwing some kind of zinger about Melo. Maybe Melo stood him up or maybe violated him in some way.

Papabear wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:How come when Melo is looking to improve his game, it's always things related to scoring only?

Papabear Says

Wrong! That's just your opinion. And your opinion about Melo is never positive. If Melo left the Knicks today or tomorrow or a season ending injury we would be a lottery team with no picks. Would that make you happy?