Nalod wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Who gives Amare $100mil uninsured dollars? Only the Knicks. Both are to blame. Mostly Walsh because we already know Dolan is an idiot but he's not GM

Really? We clearly have an owner who publicly disregarded his GM in the Melo deal. What GM makes 100mm decisions?

Not sure your stance but some around here lauded Grunny as exec of the year for the Billups amnesty and signing Tyson. Now its a "mistake" in hindsight!!

How many teams can eat a 14mm contract and sign another? Tyson's first year basically cost 28mm!!!! We could have bought Billups out I think for 4mm a few months earlier. The 4mm would have been on our cap and we would not have had the room for Tyson.

Its great that Dolan has the money for stuff like that but it also a reaccuring theme with Knicks to make short term decisions.

Layden? He was the one who gave Alan that crazy contract and when questioned on it, he said it was the right thing to do and sent a message to free agents. That was not Dolan's doing. Dolan did interfere with the Melo trade (I believe) but, Dolan is also know for giving his GM's total control and autonomy.

http://hoopshype.com/rumors/tag/donnie_walsh?page=16

Nalod wrote:Donnie was bought in to clear the cap and make a run at Lebron.

Owner sets the directive. Thats my belief. Whole world knows we clearing cap so the price goes up.

Whats with the whole "Blame" thing anyway?

Donnie gone a while now, and I don't see any reason to bring it up for the 50th time.

I can ignore it, but what fun would that be.

Y'all remember my stance son things? Im flattered!

BTW, don't forget this when evaluating the Pacers:
I

n July 2011, Pritchard joined the Indiana Pacers to become their Director of Player Personnel.[13] Later on, he was promoted to general manager in June 2012 to replace David Morway.

Go back and remember the Isiah years and look up the records. It was pretty bad. Shyt on Walsh all you want but he is the guy that had to clean up the stench.

gunsnewing wrote:Donnie was doing ok until the Amare deal and not presenting a proper backup plan to Dolan after Lebron went to Miami. I'm not sure if its fair to kill Donnie for where the Knicks stand today though. The Knicks failed as an organization. Constantly changing plans since striking out on Lebron. Keeping Dantoni then adding Melo and Tyson. Not amnestying Amare. We are stuck with Amare. There is nothing to even talk about til 2015. The current team should play decent basketball now that they actually have a pg who can see the floor, make the right pass and actually hit an open jumpshot like an NBA pg. don't see us finishing any better than 5th though and 1st or 2nd rd exit unless we get it right after 2015

Donny did the team a disservice by not adding conditions to the contract like, an ability to play a specific amount of games per season. The report out of Phoenix said he would need more surgery within a year or so which proved prophetic. Instead, he signed a guy who was a huge injury risk without any sort of protection.

franco12 wrote:for everyone saying Donnie should have been able to sway Dolan with a back up plan, you do remember this is the same owner who fired a security guard for doing their job, simply because she didn't recognize him?

Ownership drives this mess.

The point of the article was that if we went back to 2008 and played out a rebuild without panic trades like the one for Bargs where we send out 3 picks- and instead kept some of the players that have turned out to be productive elsewhere (Crawford, Lee, Zach) and kept our own draft picks, we might actually have a team as good or better than the one we've created.

I dearly hope Melo signs with LA - just so maybe we're forced to rebuild the right way- which is through the draft- and yest, that is a crap shoot - but with Wade, Riley doesn't get Lebron and Bosh.

From your mouth to gods ears Franco. I've been echoing the same thing for almost a decade now. Unfortunately it isn't the Dolan way. Heat don't get Lebron if they don't draft wade. Celtics with pierce and rondo lakers Kobe dirk mavs and spurs Duncan etc

You draft one of those studs and if he pans out you lock him up long term. You have his bird rights and then you add pices through trade and free agency like Shaq, kg, Allen, Lebron and gasol. It's not rocket science unless you are Jimmy Bean Dolan

Silverfuel wrote:IMO, Donnie Walsh hurt the Knicks by signing Amare and didn't make us a contender. I don't think he knowingly sabotaged the Knicks but he definitely screwed us with the Amare signing. He didn't build a championship team in Indiana and did not really do much for the Knicks other than acquire Melo. The Melo trade fell in his lap. Melo wanted to come here so Walsh didn't really bring Melo to NYC. And if rumors are true, that was Dolan. These are some of the moves he made as the Knicks GM.
- Hired D'Antoni
- Drafted Gallinari and acquired Chris Duhon (missed out on Brook Lopez and Roy Hibbert)
- Traded Jamal Crawford for Al Harrington
- Traded Mardy Collins and Zach Randolph
- Acquired Larry Hughes, Chris Wilcox and waived Marbury
- Drafted Landry Fields
- Let David Lee walk and signed Amare Stoudemire, Ray Felton and Mozgov
- Traded for Melo

From what I can tell, he traded away talent and signed and drafted injury prone players. Then he left cause Dolan forced him to make the Melo trade. What exactly did he do to make the Knicks a championship team? Signing Amare was his best move and Amare is a bigger injury case than Allan Houston! Donnie Walsh really sucked here. In fact, he wasn't an all-star GM in Indiana either. What has he done to make the Pacers a championship team? Larry Bird got them Paul George and Roy Hibbert! Sure Walsh didn't make as many major blunders as Layden and Isiah Thomas but what major move did he make to improve the Knicks? Amare and Gallo are injury prone, Ray Felton is a decent PG and D'Antoni was terrible.

I like what Grunwald has done. Hope he can figure out a way to trade Amare!

did we let david lee walk, or did we trade him? I thought we traded him for players and picks.. one player and two picks were used in the carmelo deal...