tkf wrote:

Clean wrote:So we lose Camby, Novak, Kidd, Cope, Q Rich, Earl Barron

and we gain Beno, MWP, Bargs, Hardaway, CJ Lesie, Jeremy Tyler

This has been an overall good offseason when factoring in the limitations we had on us. MWP covers copes production . Beno is a huge get over the nearly dead Kidd. We got youth for the present and future. If Bargs has anything left I think we can surprise everyone in the east again this year.

we also lose 3 draft picks...

I also like draft picks but I think the deal for Bargs is very good. They wanted to get rid of Camby and Novak contract anyways and was able to do it here. So basically we got Bargs for a 1st rounder and 2 2nd rounders. Unless we tank and the 1st rounder becomes a lottery pick and the 2nd rounders are in the 31-36 range then I think it was a fair deal.

tkf wrote:

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

Clean wrote:

tkf wrote:I think beno will be better than prigs... which is why I didn't like giving prigs a dime more..

No one could have thought we would have gotten Beno for the Min. I do think maybe Nate would have been better other signing if we knew we would get Beno later. I don't care about that anymore I am just happy we got a guy I have been wanting for a few years now.

well maybe not beno, but look at the list I posted days ago, there were other options better than prigs IMO.... Dj augustine being one of them..

besides being younger, how is DJ any better?

Speed element, Dj is much faster, and can actually get into the lane and finish, not saying he is great at that, but we don't get that at all from prigs, heck...we don't get enough of that from anyone on our team, especially our guards...

you want to talk pick and roll, DJ is actually good at the pull up jumper off the dribble. one of his few offensive strengths....

defensively he is average, but after watching him blow by our guards last year, it makes you wonder how good defensively we are there as well..

overall, i would take him over prigs not only because he is a decade younger, but he brings another element we need to this team.. youth and speed, and offensively I think he is more of a threat which actually bodes well in the pick and roll.. Isn't that supposed to be a big part of our offense now according to most?

If you want to be honest, all things being equal, which i don't think they are.. why not go younger and cheaper?

so finishing at rim and jump shot % are easy numbers to look up... where did you get your stats that suggest DJ is better in those categories?

Youth and speed are nice when you can put them to good use, but what about effectiveness?

tkf wrote:

Clean wrote:So we lose Camby, Novak, Kidd, Cope, Q Rich, Earl Barron

and we gain Beno, MWP, Bargs, Hardaway, CJ Lesie, Jeremy Tyler

This has been an overall good offseason when factoring in the limitations we had on us. MWP covers copes production . Beno is a huge get over the nearly dead Kidd. We got youth for the present and future. If Bargs has anything left I think we can surprise everyone in the east again this year.

we also lose 3 draft picks...

I agree, I hated losing the 3 picks for Bargs and you can see that by my many posts in various other threads on the subject. However, those picks don't help us next year. This is the reason why I did not put them there. This list was purely a talent lost vs talent gained list.

CrushAlot wrote:

Clean wrote:

tkf wrote:

Clean wrote:So we lose Camby, Novak, Kidd, Cope, Q Rich, Earl Barron

and we gain Beno, MWP, Bargs, Hardaway, CJ Lesie, Jeremy Tyler

This has been an overall good offseason when factoring in the limitations we had on us. MWP covers copes production . Beno is a huge get over the nearly dead Kidd. We got youth for the present and future. If Bargs has anything left I think we can surprise everyone in the east again this year.

we also lose 3 draft picks...

I agree, I hated losing the 3 picks for Bargs and you can see that by my many posts in various other threads on the subject. However, those picks don't help us next year. This is the reason why I did not put them there. This list was purely a talent lost vs talent gained list.

I don't get sweating the picks. One pick is the second rounder from the Thunder for the Brewer trade. It is projected to be the second to last pick in next years draft. The other second rounder is for 2017. Melo will be 33 and Tyson will be 34 when that draft happens and most likely it is a late second rounder again. The first rounder should be a late pick. I am not sure where the Nuggets will be but I think the Knicks will still be a top 3-4 team in the east so the pick should be late.

For me the point has nothing to do with where the picks are. The point is that we could have gotten him without giving the 1st rounder. We just had to be patient and wait out the clock. The 1st thing the Raps Gm said was Bargs would be traded or Amnestied by the amnesty deadline. he said this publicly in his press conference after his signing was announced. Something tells me if he knew he could get 2 2nd rounders and a 1st rounder for Bargs he would have never thought about even talking about Amnesty. This shows his expectations on his return for bargs.

It is in the past now, I am ready to move on. I would not have even talked about it if TKF did not bring it up. I am now happy with the team we currently have and want to see who will be the last signing.

Bonn1997 wrote:He's an OK player. His defensive #s are really bad but he helps on offense. I don't expect him to make a big difference but he's worth the league min.

Man you've got to stop thinking of players in a vacuum. It's like you look at the personal numbers and don't pay attention to the actual impact they can have on the team. I think you have a very flawed take on how this move plays into the way the Knicks will function. For one thing tell me how does Prigs look in the stat sheet as a player in a vacuum? Not good at all!!! However, his actual impact on the way the team plays is greater than his stats and Kidd had a similar positive impact earlier in the season.

Think of what these players do in terms of the Hockey assist before the assist. Often its the pass before the pass that leads to the score that is most important. The Knicks have a very specific way they play based on the flaws of the teams top scorers. We have to find other ways to make the team more efficient and part of that is having guards that can make intelligent decisions with the ball and able to knock down the open 3. Our guards also have to be able to run PnR at a high level but not be shot happy.

Now the Knicks have 2 very smart, high BB IQ PG's again, but Beno has more left in the tank than Kidd did. That's something that worked great for the Knicks and they clearly want to repeat that this year, but to have more endurance at the position than we did last year.

If anything he brings much needed depth and veteran savvy, but still added production at a good age(31).

Now if we can just sign Ivan Johnson, I'd say it's been a real productive "A" offseason considering our cap situation and the CBA.

Who says vets and free agents don't want to play in NY? He could've gotten the same offer elsewhere. He came to NY to win!

According to a league source with knowledge of the decision, Memphis was a strong suitor and Philadelphia also showed interest in Udrih, whose deciding factor was his chance to win with the Knicks.

Screw the Haters...I LOVE IT!

Nope?

Whose team it was?

Feltons.

Kid did a good job. Jordan did not want to pay Felton and While Larry wanted DJ (dumb pick) Jordan let Felton walk.

Because of this, DJ, who is a bit of an intense guy and Felton really did not get along.

Can they be pro's about it? Perhaps.

Would DJ really challange Felton? Likley not.

But why do it?

ChuckBuck wrote:Love love love this move! This guy is clearly worth more than $1.2mill. Great move by Grunny to convince him to come to NY for the vet min.

If anything he brings much needed depth and veteran savvy, but still added production at a good age(31).

Now if we can just sign Ivan Johnson, I'd say it's been a real productive "A" offseason considering our cap situation and the CBA.

Who says vets and free agents don't want to play in NY? He could've gotten the same offer elsewhere. He came to NY to win!

According to a league source with knowledge of the decision, Memphis was a strong suitor and Philadelphia also showed interest in Udrih, whose deciding factor was his chance to win with the Knicks.

Screw the Haters...I LOVE IT!

Uhrih is coming off a huge contract that paid him $7M annually. We get him for the minimum.

Be still my heart.

That leaner/pull up jumper is unstoppable once he's on!