You think if the deal fell through Melo would be saying how much of a steal it would have been? No he'd be telling you how glad he is that Camby and Novak are stilll on the team and what key pieces they are to our championship hopes.

nykshaknbake wrote:No Bargnani wasn't a steal. But really what do you want Melo to say? We got screwed? Call his teammate soft and unmotivated? People have to stop taking seriously positive spin bullcrap NBA players and coaches say about each other. There is always an huge excess of positive statements and accolades about even the 15th man on every team. Players have nothing to lose by heaping undeserving praise on each other. Melo saying he was a steal doesn't mean he is and doesn't even mean Melo really thinks he is.

You think if the deal fell through Melo would be saying how much of a steal it would have been? No he'd be telling you how glad he is that Camby and Novak are stilll on the team and what key pieces they are to our championship hopes.

It's three things:

A) the loss of Camby and Novak

Losing Camby is countered by the addition of Tyler and Haddadi. Yeah, I said it. Look forward. not backwards.

B) the loss of the picks

Oh Prunella, the picks... the picks... Fuggedabout the picks. Bargnani was the first player selected in his eligibility year. There is your pick. A number one pick.

C) having to give minutes to Bargs

Please. If Mike Woodson can squeeze a career-best productivity out of problematic manchild Earl Smith, he can convince Andrea Bargnani that he is not a scrub. Woodson is a hands on coach during the summer and has already given Bargnani a set of expectations. Welcome to New York.

Giving minutes to Bargnani is not an issue any more than "giving" minutes to any other player. Why?

Minutes are earned.

Who is "some."

Some people say (insert anything here).. is a vapid means of attributing an opinion to a generic no one.

"Overrating" a player like Bargnani is meaningless at this point. He has no rating other than an opportunity to earn some rotation minutes or a spot as a starter. Ratings are for magazines and television shows.

Bargnani gets a restart. No rating. No baggage. No burden to lead the Knicks as the sole focus.

Andrea is not rated as anything but another dude trying to earn his paycheck and earn some quality minutes.

He is a steal because 7 foot Euro centers with decent fundamentals an outside range to the three point line are rare. He is a steal because New Yorkers love a good comeback story and Bargnani has comeback written all over him.

Low expectations. Higher quality team than Toronto equals more help and lighter load to carry.

Bright lights. Big city. Little Italy is only a few blocks from The Garden.

What's not to like?

misterearl wrote:Exactly. Reading the posts i think some are overrating Bargnani

Who is "some."

Some people say (insert anything here).. is a vapid means of attributing an opinion to a generic no one.

"Overrating" a player like Bargnani is meaningless at this point. He has no rating other than an opportunity to earn some rotation minutes or a spot as a starter. Ratings are for magazines and television shows.

Bargnani gets a restart. No rating. No baggage. No burden to lead the Knicks as the sole focus.

Andrea is not rated as anything but another dude trying to earn his paycheck and earn some quality minutes.

He is a steal because 7 foot Euro centers with decent fundamentals an outside range to the three point line are rare. He is a steal because New Yorkers love a good comeback story and Bargnani has comeback written all over him.

Low expectations. Higher quality team than Toronto equals more help and lighter load to carry.

Bright lights. Big city. Little Italy is only a few blocks from The Garden.

What's not to like?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:Exactly. Reading the posts i think some are overrating Bargnani

Who is "some."

Some people say (insert anything here).. is a vapid means of attributing an opinion to a generic no one.

"Overrating" a player like Bargnani is meaningless at this point. He has no rating other than an opportunity to earn some rotation minutes or a spot as a starter. Ratings are for magazines and television shows.

Bargnani gets a restart. No rating. No baggage. No burden to lead the Knicks as the sole focus.

Andrea is not rated as anything but another dude trying to earn his paycheck and earn some quality minutes.

He is a steal because 7 foot Euro centers with decent fundamentals an outside range to the three point line are rare. He is a steal because New Yorkers love a good comeback story and Bargnani has comeback written all over him.

Low expectations. Higher quality team than Toronto equals more help and lighter load to carry.

Bright lights. Big city. Little Italy is only a few blocks from The Garden.

What's not to like?

Look all those sayings and quotes are good to hear but we still need to see Bargnani perform. As a Knick fan i hope he does well here but i guess we have to wait and see before we call it a steal

jrodmc wrote:Ahhh, a week off from work and the UK, and all the usual Somber Suspects are still in rare form.

Complaining about thread redundancy. Nice. From posters who created the patented "Why I hate Melo and you should too" thread spawns and the neverending, 4 year old (and counting) "The Trade ruined all our lives, and you're just too much of a Dolan minion to realize it" thread bots.

So at the risk of resurrecting redundancy:

1) Novak. --> last seen doing less than nothing in the playoffs. Last seen in a thread near you with multiple explanations about how his glaring deficiencies (both on O and D) have been solved and exploited by every team in the league that matters.

2) Camby. --> last seen not playing. Continually. For whatever reason. Spectre-like visions of past rebounds and blocks notwithstanding.

3) Draft picks --> Yawn....yeah, draft picks...right. We're the Knicks, remember?

Isn't it redundant when 3 of the first 4 (non-stickied) threads are about how wonderful a pickup Bargnani is?

I hope Barg's can put up around 15 ppg next year with strong percentages and a few boards. I would be happy with that.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Ahhh, a week off from work and the UK, and all the usual Somber Suspects are still in rare form.

Complaining about thread redundancy. Nice. From posters who created the patented "Why I hate Melo and you should too" thread spawns and the neverending, 4 year old (and counting) "The Trade ruined all our lives, and you're just too much of a Dolan minion to realize it" thread bots.

So at the risk of resurrecting redundancy:

1) Novak. --> last seen doing less than nothing in the playoffs. Last seen in a thread near you with multiple explanations about how his glaring deficiencies (both on O and D) have been solved and exploited by every team in the league that matters.

2) Camby. --> last seen not playing. Continually. For whatever reason. Spectre-like visions of past rebounds and blocks notwithstanding.

3) Draft picks --> Yawn....yeah, draft picks...right. We're the Knicks, remember?

Isn't it redundant when 3 of the first 4 (non-stickied) threads are about how wonderful a pickup Bargnani is?

So if I understand you correctly, your point is that negative redundancy is bright, smart and informed, while positive redundancy is dull, boring and pointless?

Can we start a number of redundant threads that are purely about redundancy?

I know martin, I know, if I can't add anything...

Wow, you read a lot into my simple yes/no question!

I have been here long enough to know that you have 14 miles of sabremetrics and sweaty, blood-stained spreadsheets behind every single post, Bonn.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:Ahhh, a week off from work and the UK, and all the usual Somber Suspects are still in rare form.

Complaining about thread redundancy. Nice. From posters who created the patented "Why I hate Melo and you should too" thread spawns and the neverending, 4 year old (and counting) "The Trade ruined all our lives, and you're just too much of a Dolan minion to realize it" thread bots.

So at the risk of resurrecting redundancy:

1) Novak. --> last seen doing less than nothing in the playoffs. Last seen in a thread near you with multiple explanations about how his glaring deficiencies (both on O and D) have been solved and exploited by every team in the league that matters.

2) Camby. --> last seen not playing. Continually. For whatever reason. Spectre-like visions of past rebounds and blocks notwithstanding.

3) Draft picks --> Yawn....yeah, draft picks...right. We're the Knicks, remember?

Isn't it redundant when 3 of the first 4 (non-stickied) threads are about how wonderful a pickup Bargnani is?

So if I understand you correctly, your point is that negative redundancy is bright, smart and informed, while positive redundancy is dull, boring and pointless?

Can we start a number of redundant threads that are purely about redundancy?

I know martin, I know, if I can't add anything...

Wow, you read a lot into my simple yes/no question!

I have been here long enough to know that you have 14 miles of sabremetrics and sweaty, blood-stained spreadsheets behind every single post, Bonn.

hahaha