misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise

dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.

All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?

There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.

dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.

dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.

Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.

dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.

What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.

It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise

dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.

All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?

There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.

dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.

dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.

Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.

dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.

What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.

It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.

Also the Melo being out of shape thing was debunked last year and even after being shown photos of how lean the guy was the out of shape reference remained a talking point whenever dk trashed Melo.

Melo was in great shape last year. I think he was great last year. melo's only weakness seems to be the playoffs. He is a bit inconcistent and he needs to help the team around him like lebron does.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise

dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.

All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?

There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.

dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.

dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.

Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.

dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.

What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.

It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.

Also the Melo being out of shape thing was debunked last year and even after being shown photos of how lean the guy was the out of shape reference remained a talking point whenever dk trashed Melo.

Melo was in great shape last year. I think he was great last year. melo's only weakness seems to be the playoffs. He is a bit inconcistent and he needs to help the team around him like lebron does.

It seems like every year that Melo has been in NY the team has major injuries going into the playoffs and this year wasn't different. He really wasn't helped much by his teammates in the Indy series. No one would could score. Kidd even missed a wide open layup.

it seems to be a new excuse every year for 8-10 years running now....

misterearl wrote:ARod and Carmelo are no more alike than Justin Bieber and Tom Cruise

dk7th wrote:he reminds me of alex rodriguez-- deeply infatuated with himself and pretty damned oblivious, resulting in some pretty dumbfounding and alienating statements. he's an annoying person to say the least but then again he is merely following the path that most nba players follow, chase money first then perhaps chase rings.

All professionals, whether in sports or entertainment, chase money first. Is Matt Ryan of the Atlanta Falcons worth $120 million?

There is nothing more annoying than trying to make a hero out of a zero like Tim Tebow.

dk7th - with regard to your resentment of owners, Dolan is in business to make money. Once you realize that every professional franchise owner is in the same predicament and realize that winning is nothing more than a great by-product. It is not a necessity. They are ALL in business to make money first. Players understand this better than many fans.

dk7th wrote: i mean if he ever got in truly supreme shape and actually worked assiduously on expanding his game instead of same-ole same-ole, people would maybe be persuaded he is not merely interested in money more than winning.

Worked assiduously? Interesting. Was it assiduous for Mr. Carmelo Anthony to play while injured at several times during the season? Or should he have simply rested, healed and played only at 100 per cent? Somewhere, half of Chicago is second-guessing Derek Rose.

dk7th wrote: so, his latest statement simply reinforces the suspicion that he was never interested in winning a title here and simply exploited the situation the best he could.

What suspicion? You play to win the game. Whether on a West Baltimore playground or Madison Square Garden. The money means nothing when the ball is in play. The rest of your rationalization is nothing more than personal bias.

It's cool. The least you can do is be honest about it, instead of whitewashing it with nonsense.

if you can't see the similarities that's not my problem-- it's your problem.

and not all owners are lowlifes like dolan. not all owners are born crossing home plate. most owners actually made their fortunes through honest work, though i guess some owners made their fortunes through dishonest work. honest or dishonest it was still time and energy expended to amass their fortunes. name me one owner who has never worked. here, i'll start: dolan. your turn

finally, so far as working assiduously to prepare oneself for success in the playoffs, i am going to simplify things by way of analogy: an average meal takes ten times as long to prepare as it does to consume. carmelo is pure takeout which is why he is always taken out.

carmelo anthony has not expanded his game one bit and has never been in supreme shape, which is the source of playoff failure. everything else is a lame excuse. scoring titles and first round appearances only serve to distract from the core problem which is he does not possess the will to win.

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar cap

Agree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.

why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..

Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.

Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.

And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... we seem to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..

I actually expected it a bit sooner...

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar cap

Agree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.

why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..

Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.

Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.

great, tell that to carmelo and ask him to shut up and play ball.. he is the one putting this out there...

And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... this seemed to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..

I actually expected it a bit sooner...

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar cap

Agree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.

why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..

Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.

Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.

great, tell that to carmelo and ask him to shut up and play ball.. he is the one putting this out there...

And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... we seem to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..

I actually expected it a bit sooner...

yellowboy90 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:

arkrud wrote:Melo may not be a chip material but he is very much succeed as player, businessman, and entertainer.
He is a millionaire and celebrity. And he is actually one of the greatest offensive talents.
Championship is another story and as he has all other stuff pretty much completed he may start thinking about getting it too.
He realized that this is not possible in NY and started working on the exit ASAP.
I think he and his agent are very smart and proactive bunch.

Greatest offensive talent? Ridiculous there have been so many better offensive players that have come and gone. Melo is a volume shooter who can't sniff 50% FG. I'm gonna give you a list of offensive players from the past what do they have in a common. Julius Erving, Chris Mullin, Larry Bird, Jordan, Alex English, George Gervin, Adrien Dantley. They all shot 50% I think Bird was near 50%.

Right now the NBA is so devoid of talent. And the Kobes and Iversons of the world have made 44% shooting the new 50%. The NBA is so devoid of talent that we are elevating crap and think its the greatest thing we ever seen. There are two superstars in the game as of now Lebron and Durant. The rest fall under good players and Marginal players.

There is

Level 1 Lebron all by himself

Level 2 Durant All by himself

Level 3 Chris Paul , Russell Westbrook, James Harden " Might be leveling up" , Dwight Howard,

I would put Melo in that 3rd level and would take Harden out. The guy plays no defense but that maybe him adjusting to the burden of being a number one option. So if he comes back next year with the same or better offensive game plus an average level off defensive play I would put him in that third level. I would say having Howard should help him look better but Asik is probably as good of a defender and rim protector.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

tkf wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:I do believe Melo is getting ready to put the hammer on us with a Max extension demand.This is all about leveraging us.I say F him, he wants to walk he can take his smaller contract.Go into 2015 tank mode. Trade everything we have for draft picks.Chandler will get us something. Hopefully we end up with a Top 5 Pick to build on, along with a late pick from Chandler and tons of cap space.I dont think i can handle a Max extension to Melo.I wont be able to stomach complaints about surrounding talent why he makes 25 million a year on a 58 million dollar cap

Agree with the sentiment here - not worth the $25 mil per extension. I don't blame the Knicks for trying by pairing him with Amare and then Tyson. But by 2015, the experiment will be over.

why not blame the knicks. it was a silly plan.. carmelo and amare were oil and water, if the knicks had done a little homework, heck just some game film ovservation, they would have known that..

Because I try not to go backwards multiple years with regards to the sports teams I root for in order to assign Blame, Monday Morning QB or Lament the Ghosts of Christmas Past. People try things and succeed, they try things and fail. In this case, the mixture of these players has drastically increased the winning percentage and regular season standings, it has also brought a playoff series win. In that respect it has succeeded even in spite of injuries to Amare. It has not brought a tremendous playoff showing nor a championship.....in that sense it has failed so far with another year to go...maybe even 2.

Just consider it a waste of time to dwell on failures of the past, especially regarding things I have no control over. Much more fun and entertaining for me to try and strategize what moves would be best for the present and future, given what resources are already at hand.

great, tell that to carmelo and ask him to shut up and play ball.. he is the one putting this out there...

And actually I was playing sunday afternoon QB when I said this trade was senseless.. people do try things and succeed, but those who do often usually employ some sort of preparation or planning... we seem to lack that.. so it is no surprise actually that carmelo is saying this..

I actually expected it a bit sooner...

Well the Knicks were trying to get Bargs before so this may have been planned. The reports out there were that it was for Amare and Dolan nixed it.

i think tkf is referring to the carmelo trade. a few fans like tkf were against it from the beginning for reasons that the rest of the fanbase are coming to grips with now-- you can't acquire a player like him for max dollars in any other manner than as a free agent. and you never EVER trade for someone like him.