Finestrg wrote:Question: if we did land Ivan Johnson, who would you guys want in a game first assuming Woody needs to look down the bench and tap into the depth -- Ivan Johnson or K-Mart? I betcha everyone on here says K-Mart -- I go the other way and say IJ should be ahead of Martin on the depth chart. Younger, I think stronger at this point and he can do more offensively. K-Mart's a long way from his Cincinnati/New Jersey days, esp. offensively. I mean some of this guy's jumper attempts, the few he did take, looked God-awful. A little bit of a concern for me that he didn't really do much in the latter half of that Indy series too. Began to look really small and overmatched the further that series went along...How much does he really have left do ya think? Johnson actually makes some sense here -- as long as they also go out and add a legit backup C with the requisite size.

k-mart and artest are one step and a banna peel from the glue factory.. Ivan johnson plays with a lot of spirit still and hunger.. IMO would like to see him get that playing time...

gunsnewing wrote:I trust Grunwald and the rest of the scouting staff that if they zero'd in on a PG in the draft they would've found a gem. I'm really beginning to think the problem is Woodson does not like young PGs and will not play em. Maybe it is the Larry brown philosophy where a SG like Hardaway can slide right in and not get in the way. But tell Boston and Rondo that. PG is a prime position

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter

actually I got to see ivan johnson here in Atlanta, he is a tough player. I like him.. but here again is my problem guns.. why did we waste money on artest.. johnson brings the same things to the table as far as toughness goes, yet he is younger, fresher legs, higher motor... so where is his playing time is going to come from?

There is now way STAT and KMART make it through the entire season. Also, STAT isn't going to play back to backs.

Finestrg wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Would love to sign Ivan, would hate to waste a spot on Pargo- honestly he'd give us nothing. How do we go from Udrih, Brown and West to Pargo?! I'd rather sign Toure Murry.

Plus Pargo had some weird beef against us the season before last- remember that Hawks game near the end of the season, when he was acting up? I think Amar'e was bemused by it or something.

Don't remember that but you're right 100% -- he's a pretty big drop-off from the other guys, even Delonte West....Would rather roll the dice on Bobby Brown's potential or even Toure Murry. Absolutely. The buck really needs to stop with Bobby Brown as the additional PG....He's already on record as saying he'd prefer NY over China and it sounds like he's willing to wait up to 8/15 AND ultimately accept less to come here (800k? His Chinese offer is for $1.2m). If that's the case, why even talk to Jannero Pargo? At this stage Pargo's the inferior talent and with his longevity he'd cost more...Makes no sense.

Reading Bobby Brown's twitter, the man is desperate to be Knick- he really, really wants to be here and is willing to take less money. I know I'm sentimental, but at some point that has to count for something.

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:And I mistakenly called Udrih a crumb. Don't know what this guy is other than a bum. Rather sign bobby brown or anyone for that matter

actually I got to see ivan johnson here in Atlanta, he is a tough player. I like him.. but here again is my problem guns.. why did we waste money on artest.. johnson brings the same things to the table as far as toughness goes, yet he is younger, fresher legs, higher motor... so where is his playing time is going to come from?

There is now way STAT and KMART make it through the entire season. Also, STAT isn't going to play back to backs.

then why are we wasting any money on Kmart? one dime? why?

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

RonRon wrote:yes I would much rather have Udrih, but from the start of FA, Jannero Pargo is a LEGIT VET MIN player that wouldn't have to pray to sign to be a steal
If Udrih does take less money to come to NY it would be great and I believe he is better than Pablo and can even challenge Felton's starting job

Instead of using a portion of the MLE for Pablo, I believe more FA's PG's would have come on a low deal for the opportunity for PT, challenge Felton for the starting job, possibly even starting with Felton with Woodson playing 2 PG's last season, and at worse be the backup PG, looking for their next job like JR Smith and Lin/Copeland has done in to raise their stock

I don't think giving Pablo an extra $700,000 is an issue. The issue is we only had $3.1mil to spend because our roster is pathetic with so many guys who are over played. Even Artest is only making what $1.3. The only cheap option for a young change of pace pg was through the draft and we added another JR in Tim Hardaway. Now we are looking at jannero frickin pargo

i THINK does matter, I would have let pablo walk and look for an upgrade.. we had this discussion, there were a list of free agents that we figured would be had for cheap.. Dj augustine went for peanuts.. I would take him and his speed, youth,and shooting over pablo. for sure...

why are we looking for a 3rd PG? why not tell pablo you get paid what you did last year,we will just add a year, or you can go back home.. It is not like this guy is some really good player.. He is serviceable.. we could have gone after a DJ augustine...etc.. heck we could have pursued a trade, maybe go after a jarret jack.. heck we had no business going after bargnani.. I would rather use novak and a pick to upgrade the PG spot, either move felton to backup or move him out.. either way, be strong at starting and backup, and go for a lesser player you can develop as your 3rd PG.. not wasting time on guys who really don't want the vet min, to come here as a 3rd PG... come on, what sense does that make?

The only cheap option for a young change of pace pg was through the draft and we added another JR in Tim Hardaway. Now we are looking at jannero frickin pargo

yea, really a head scratcher...

The real head scratcher is you hyping to get a worse player, Augustin, over Pablo. D.J. shot 35% overall and 35% from three with 2.2 assist. Pablo had him beat across the board in almost every area except TOs, -.2 difference.

Pablo shot 45% and ~40% from three. So why complain?

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I trust Grunwald and the rest of the scouting staff that if they zero'd in on a PG in the draft they would've found a gem. I'm really beginning to think the problem is Woodson does not like young PGs and will not play em. Maybe it is the Larry brown philosophy where a SG like Hardaway can slide right in and not get in the way. But tell Boston and Rondo that. PG is a prime position

First off the Knicks had the 24th pick in the draft. The chance of finding gems that late in the draft is not easy. Just yesterday you said late first rounders are the same as second round picks. Also, the Knicks knew smith needed knee surgery and there have been a lot of rumors regarding shump being moved. There are reasons why hardaway was picked. I think the, Woodson doesn't handle the roster right isn't a strong argument. The guys that are mentioned as not being handled right were injured or the 13th through 15th men on the depth chart. Most guys that far down on the depth chart on a 54 win team aren't playing.

gunsnewing wrote:We need Another PG who can challenge Felton for the starting job. Prigs is fine as backup for 20mins. He is 36. Otherwise we will be left scratching our heads again as to why is it that every opposing PGs even scrubs have career nights when going up against Felton. Nevermind what good PGs like jrue holiday do to felton

That PG was not in the draft at 24 or available for the mMLE.

gunsnewing wrote:Hopefully those guys along with Shumpert will cover up Felton's lack of lateral speed defensively

A healthy and involved Tyson will help Felton. Rim protection will make guard and wing defenders look better than they are.

gunsnewing wrote:Can Artest run point forward? If he is going to start which I am vehemently against because I hate Melo at the 4. Then I would like to see some of that. Artest has more basketball IQ than Felton. Kinda like Anthony mason running point forward

Is this really Guns or did MrKnickshot hack your PC?