nixluva wrote:

tj23 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

tj23 wrote:A pick and roll pg, which Ray is not. Somehow he forgot all that work he did in his first stint with us. That and Tyson sets screens like a ten year old.

woodson doesn't really have offense to run, every coach in the league runs pick and rolls, every coach in the league runs ISO's..

This is a question for MDA..

Other teams have a ton more movement off the ball. We are a heavy pick and roll offense. He's running almost the exact same offense D'Antoni ran with a few more wrinkles and post ups...

Just remember that in NY MDA NEVER really ran his full SSOL offense. We couldn't do it. We didn't have the roster to actually play that way. What we ran was a watered down version of MDA's offense and even more simplified version under Woodson. As I wrote above, we led the league in ISO % in the regular season and set a record for % of ISO plays we ran in the playoffs. In either instance this has been the calling card for Woodson since his ISO Joe days in ATL. Now that it's been 2 teams where Woody has gone heavy ISO I think it's clearly how he wants to play.

MSG3 wrote:It's amazing to me that people talk about Felton like he's a bad PG. He was very good last year. I agree he needs to be better on D, but on offense he was good. Definitely worth more than what we are paying him.

But, the best PG for this team (aside from CP3) would be Rondo. I'd give up anyone on the team not named Melo for him.

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:The type of PG Woodson likes is the type that gives the ball to Melo or JR and get out of the way. The Knicks run a stale offense and is reflected by the amount of assists the PGs have. That type of offense will almost always be exposed in the playoffs.

Its to bad they couldnt develop Shumpert into a PG

I'm not to into having Shumpert play pg. He is a sg and should play his natural position. I hate the fact he had to play sf last year, I hate it that Melo plays pf. I don't like gimmicks.

Or an Eric snow type of point guard.

One thing I notice with woodson is he likes his point guard like Larry brown- play the right way, but he gives them freedom to run the team and take chances

gunsnewing wrote:

tj23 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:It's amazing to me that people talk about Felton like he's a bad PG. He was very good last year. I agree he needs to be better on D, but on offense he was good. Definitely worth more than what we are paying him.

But, the best PG for this team (aside from CP3) would be Rondo. I'd give up anyone on the team not named Melo for him.

His shooting % and assist numbers were low, and post injury he had trouble defending, looked a step slower. Earlier in the year when he wasn't trying to prove himself against Lin or shoot 50 shots against the Bulls, I thought he looked a lot more explosive and was creating better. I don't know where that guy went.

Me and you were watching the same Knicks season. Felton's increase in shots and slump started when he went up against Lin on dec 17th. Coincided with the end of the Knicks great start. From then on they were a .500 ball club until Woodson finally benched Kidd and started prigioni. So you see why I'm not thrilled about going into a new season with Felton as starting pg. I'm expecting much of th same erratic play

I expect more of the same. He'll come out the gate with some explosion, then his weight issues/injury bug will get him and he'll slow down and be relegated to more of a spot up shooter role. That's where we need JR and Amare to bring their scoring(and now Bargs) because we won't get the same guard penetration and ball movement.

yellowboy90 wrote:Another way to look at it is that the Knicks do not have traditional positions. They have guards, wings, and bigs.

Felton did have a hige slump in December during his hand injuries and a little bit after he came back but I believe he had a 53-55 TS% his last 2 months. I don't think it had as much to do with Prigs as it had more to do with Kidd being off the floor. Kidd had a 43 tS% after December or January and the Knicks were -4 with him on the floor. So the offense will definitely pick up when a positive player steps into his place.

Also, just saying Melo was a high volume scorer is not right last year he was a high volume and efficient scorer. He had an efficient PER, Synergy profile, and TS%. His TS% was efficient despite an incredible usage rate. Most players efficiency goes down as their ussage go up so to be an efficient player with a 30+ usauge is a feat in itself. However, he doesn't and should need to be at that usage again.He usuage needs to be in the 27-30% range. He also needs to cut his post ups and isolation by 5-7% each.

Felton played big for us down the stretch and played REALLY big when Melo went down with the injury. Does no one remember that Miami game??? He was balling once he recovered from the hand injury. Also, the offense ran better when he was on the floor with Prigs, especially down the stretch when Kidd went from aging allstar to old man incapable of hitting a shot.

Vmart wrote:

tj23 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:The type of PG Woodson likes is the type that gives the ball to Melo or JR and get out of the way. The Knicks run a stale offense and is reflected by the amount of assists the PGs have. That type of offense will almost always be exposed in the playoffs.

Its to bad they couldnt develop Shumpert into a PG

I'm not to into having Shumpert play pg. He is a sg and should play his natural position. I hate the fact he had to play sf last year, I hate it that Melo plays pf. I don't like gimmicks.

#1 this is an offensive team
#2 this is a poor passing team
What that means is to continue having the offensive success we do we have to be able to spread the floor with shooters and if that means playing small, so be it.

Plus I consider Melo more of a combo forward. And with how much he plays in the post, it's not wrong to call him a PF. It's really his best position. So I don't consider Melo at the 4 a gimmick. Shump, yeah, he's a pure 2 guard.

I consider having Melo at PF a gimmick this is why, he is one of the worst rebounding PFs in the league and the worst shooting. Your getting 44% shooting from the PF spot that is horrible. I don't consider him a pf at all he has to bang with bigger players and stronger players leading to injuries. He is a small forward that is his natural position. Having players play out of position make the Knicks a poor rebounding team and it doesn't work in the playoffs.

Well I think the Knicks were an pretty good defensive rebounding team but a poor offensive team. Some of that is from what you said and part could be from scheme. However, in the playoffs rebounding went down hill completely.

Vmart wrote:

tj23 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Vmart wrote:The type of PG Woodson likes is the type that gives the ball to Melo or JR and get out of the way. The Knicks run a stale offense and is reflected by the amount of assists the PGs have. That type of offense will almost always be exposed in the playoffs.

Its to bad they couldnt develop Shumpert into a PG

I'm not to into having Shumpert play pg. He is a sg and should play his natural position. I hate the fact he had to play sf last year, I hate it that Melo plays pf. I don't like gimmicks.

#1 this is an offensive team
#2 this is a poor passing team
What that means is to continue having the offensive success we do we have to be able to spread the floor with shooters and if that means playing small, so be it.

Plus I consider Melo more of a combo forward. And with how much he plays in the post, it's not wrong to call him a PF. It's really his best position. So I don't consider Melo at the 4 a gimmick. Shump, yeah, he's a pure 2 guard.

I consider having Melo at PF a gimmick this is why, he is one of the worst rebounding PFs in the league and the worst shooting. Your getting 44% shooting from the PF spot that is horrible. I don't consider him a pf at all he has to bang with bigger players and stronger players leading to injuries. He is a small forward that is his natural position. Having players play out of position make the Knicks a poor rebounding team and it doesn't work in the playoffs.

it's what we can call a 'false 4',

he is called a 4 and seems to play the position but he's really a decoy at power forward, because he plays like a strong small,