ChuckBuck wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So now it's the rosters that's been holding Paul back. Interesting.

Now? No, he's played on badly run Hornets and Clippers organizations his whole career. He hasn't played with nearly as many all-stars, Olympians, max contract players as Melo has.

LOL.......I see what you did there. You flipped the parameters. You generally at least use stats to back up your theory......in this case you are using subjective opinions. "All Stars", "Olympians", and "Max Contracts" are based on somewhat subjective choices made by fans, coaches and owners and do not speak to the effectiveness of the players surrounding either Melo or Paul.

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So now it's the rosters that's been holding Paul back. Interesting.

Now? No, he's played on badly run Hornets and Clippers organizations his whole career. He hasn't played with nearly as many all-stars, Olympians, max contract players as Melo has.

To be fair, last years Clips team was loaded. Even back with the hornets he played with West (better than Amar'e at this point) and Tyson Chandler! The last 3 playoffs everyone but Melo has been injured- he's had nothing to help him.

Just goes to show how pathetic this Knicks team really is. I agree the hornets and clippers were better than this Knicks squad

If they are better why does Paul get a pass. Blake Griffin is a better running mate then Melo ever has had. This season Melo had JR Smith . U can point to the contracts on the team but just because Amare makes 20 million doesnt mean Amare is worth 20 million, Amare isnt even worth 5 million. Considering the price of NBA big men Chandler isnt grossly overpaid but he is overpaid.He earns close to his money though when comparing him to other players, Bargs wasnt even on the team last year so u cant say 4.

This is going to come off as an excuse for losing but have u guys ever noticed how many players around Carmelo Anthony miss significant amount of time with injuries.Those Nugget teams that were built with Camby ,Nene ,Kmart and Chris Anderson were constantly missing huge chunks of games. Then he comes here and Amare's body falls apart and Chandler gets the FLU every time the playoffs start. 2011-12 Every PG gets hurt before or during the playoffs.Those Nuggets team had some good rosters but they were constantly injured

Jmpasq wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So now it's the rosters that's been holding Paul back. Interesting.

Now? No, he's played on badly run Hornets and Clippers organizations his whole career. He hasn't played with nearly as many all-stars, Olympians, max contract players as Melo has.

To be fair, last years Clips team was loaded. Even back with the hornets he played with West (better than Amar'e at this point) and Tyson Chandler! The last 3 playoffs everyone but Melo has been injured- he's had nothing to help him.

Just goes to show how pathetic this Knicks team really is. I agree the hornets and clippers were better than this Knicks squad

If they are better why does Paul get a pass. Blake Griffin is a better running mate then Melo ever has had. This season Melo had JR Smith . U can point to the contracts on the team but just because Amare makes 20 million doesnt mean Amare is worth 20 million, Amare isnt even worth 5 million. Considering the price of NBA big men Chandler isnt grossly overpaid but he is overpaid.He earns close to his money though when comparing him to other players, Bargs wasnt even on the team last year so u cant say 4.

This is going to come off as an excuse for losing but have u guys ever noticed how many players around Carmelo Anthony miss significant amount of time with injuries.Those Nugget teams that were built with Camby ,Nene ,Kmart and Chris Anderson were constantly missing huge chunks of games. Then he comes here and Amare's body falls apart and Chandler gets the FLU every time the playoffs start. 2011-12 Every PG gets hurt before or during the playoffs.Those Nuggets team had some good rosters but they were constantly injured

With the clippers paul is on the clock now where he has not in the past.

Melo apologists feel better when misery loves company which by adding Paul to a "dissapointed" list it dilutes the attention Melo gets.

Melo was in the same draft as Lebron and because of his SUCCESS in the NCAA and the elite status he has carried it brings on expectations. Kind of like Ewing.

Like I said, PG's usually don't carry the load like the big guys when it comes to lofty team goals.

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:So now it's the rosters that's been holding Paul back. Interesting.

Now? No, he's played on badly run Hornets and Clippers organizations his whole career. He hasn't played with nearly as many all-stars, Olympians, max contract players as Melo has.

To be fair, last years Clips team was loaded. Even back with the hornets he played with West (better than Amar'e at this point) and Tyson Chandler! The last 3 playoffs everyone but Melo has been injured- he's had nothing to help him.

Just goes to show how pathetic this Knicks team really is. I agree the hornets and clippers were better than this Knicks squad

If they are better why does Paul get a pass. Blake Griffin is a better running mate then Melo ever has had. This season Melo had JR Smith . U can point to the contracts on the team but just because Amare makes 20 million doesnt mean Amare is worth 20 million, Amare isnt even worth 5 million. Considering the price of NBA big men Chandler isnt grossly overpaid but he is overpaid.He earns close to his money though when comparing him to other players, Bargs wasnt even on the team last year so u cant say 4.

This is going to come off as an excuse for losing but have u guys ever noticed how many players around Carmelo Anthony miss significant amount of time with injuries.Those Nugget teams that were built with Camby ,Nene ,Kmart and Chris Anderson were constantly missing huge chunks of games. Then he comes here and Amare's body falls apart and Chandler gets the FLU every time the playoffs start. 2011-12 Every PG gets hurt before or during the playoffs.Those Nuggets team had some good rosters but they were constantly injured

With the clippers paul is on the clock now where he has not in the past.

Melo apologists feel better when misery loves company which by adding Paul to a "dissapointed" list it dilutes the attention Melo gets.

Melo was in the same draft as Lebron and because of his SUCCESS in the NCAA and the elite status he has carried it brings on expectations. Kind of like Ewing.

Like I said, PG's usually don't carry the load like the big guys when it comes to lofty team goals.

Typical of this board it seems. Apologist or Hater. No one can ever be a fair minded fan. You have to be one extreme or the other I guess.

gunsnewing wrote:I think Melo needs to be surrounded with the right stars not amare and chandler. Melo and love works. Melo and Paul George and Melo and Chris Paul. Anyone who clogs the lane does not work with melo

I literally find it hard to read an opinion of "Amare and Melo" don't work when they have only played a handful of games together, and certainly not at full health.

It took Bosh, LeBron, Wade a long time to figure things out when they first arrived in Miami.

Melo and Amare might work together but Amare Keeps breaking. In Last year was the first time in a LONG TIME we had a starting PG the whole season!

Felton is not a star but he is a "Good" player.
Melo and Amare play the same position these days.

Can they work together? We still don't know yet. I don't see why they can't, but I have no basis for their success either.

gunsnewing wrote:Yea exactly and now Melo and Amare both play the same position under Woodson! Woodson himself doesn't believe they can coexist not does he try to!

See and I thought they were beginning to really gel right before Amar'e went down. Melo was playing facilitator and making, what seemed to be, a solid effort to find him on dribble drives or drop it into the post.

I know his health will always be a huge if, but I'm really looking forward to seeing Amar'e coming off his 2nd stint w/ Hakeem.