gunsnewing wrote:It's kinda of waste to have a genius at finding Hidden talent like Grunwald who found Lin and Cope. And then a coach who refuses to use those weapons because he doesn't trust them even in meaningless playoff games. Knicks are not winning anything until after 2015. Woodson deservingly or undeservingly will be made scapegoat

CrushAlot wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:It's kinda of waste to have a genius at finding Hidden talent like Grunwald who found Lin and Cope. And then a coach who refuses to use those weapons because he doesn't trust them even in meaningless playoff games. Knicks are not winning anything until after 2015. Woodson deservingly or undeservingly will be made scapegoat

Lin was Woodson's starting point guard until he got hurt. Cope was a great find. I never understood why Woodson didn't play him more. Cope was an undrafted rookie and a camp invite. My guess when I think about it is it was either how things went in practice with Cope or it took a long time for Woodson to develop a level of trust in him as a player.

So you don't see that as an inditement on Woodsons ability to coach? Why is it that Vogel Pops and Thibs trust their young players? It's because they teach and prepare them for battle. Not ignore them completely until the vets go down and you are forced to through them into the fire

I say that because when we needed points against the Pacers and made the great comeback by taking the lead in Indy in game 6 Copeland played an integral part along with Shump. Woodson would take took Copeland out of the game after knocking down a momentum changer shot , this is why I think he was told to not let Copeland outshine Melo at end of the game moment. Melo needed another threat from down town on the court, because he had the meltdown at the end of the game.

I would rather have Copeland to be honest and I think he helps us more. The wildcard is how much does Artest have in the tank being back in NY?

CrushAlot wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:isn't the question here "who would you rather have, Artest and Prigioni or Copeland?"

we got a starting SF and a backup PG for the same price it would've cost us to keep Copeland.

Copeland's a nice player but at 29, he is what he is - a pretty good scorer who gets lost defensively.

while Artest may not have the quickness he used to, he still has great hands and great defensive anticipation. he can easily guard the more physical forwards that melo had to guard last year.

There also is a huge intimidation factor with Ron. He will 'go there' and has the rep of being a little off center. The Knicks could have used that against Indy.

K-Mart was supposed to be Melo's body guard last season if things got out of hand. Artest is going to be the guy the opponents want a body guard from.
Bring back Kenyon and we have the toughest front line we've seen in a long time.

Can I see just one game where the no-layup rule is enforced?!

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Markji wrote:

playa2 wrote:When teams score and play defense in the playoffs, we would need Copeland to help us score points. We aren't built to shut teams down, but to OUT SCORE THEM, Metta was brought here for PR purposes to make up for losing Copeland and JR's surgery.

Metta was brought here to play basketball. The PR part - to give the Knicks some headlines - in a justifiable way. Nothing wrong with that.
And for playing bball on the court, Metta outplays AK47.

BUAHAHAHAHA METTA OUTPLAYS AK47??!?!/ BUAHAHAHA OMFG ARE YOU SERIOUS OMFG NO WAY BRO

no way

that comment is an insult to basketball gods

Ummm, in what basketball universe are you comparing the two? AK never smelled 20ppg his entire career.

Oh wait, AK47 is white, right?

and AK is known for being sort of a drama queen. If happy, he's locked in and focused but, if he isn't happy, you will notice a definite lack of focus along with a drop in production.

CrushAlot wrote:

BigSm00th wrote:isn't the question here "who would you rather have, Artest and Prigioni or Copeland?"

we got a starting SF and a backup PG for the same price it would've cost us to keep Copeland.

Copeland's a nice player but at 29, he is what he is - a pretty good scorer who gets lost defensively.

while Artest may not have the quickness he used to, he still has great hands and great defensive anticipation. he can easily guard the more physical forwards that melo had to guard last year.

There also is a huge intimidation factor with Ron. He will 'go there' and has the rep of being a little off center. The Knicks could have used that against Indy.

We needed points against INDY and if you watch the clip, we had their defense running around & confused when the ball moved around in the last 4 min of the game. Then Melo turned it over twice in a row and that shifted the momentum. We weren't going to defend them every time down we needed buckets and that where Copeland comes in!