Vargas and Tyler will be fighting for a big man spot out of SL

TOURE NURRAY is a VERY CRAFTY guard

nixluva wrote:

NYY1NYK2 wrote:Tyler, vargas, mcmorrow
In that order

If chris smith, makes the team. The knicks are finished. The guy is lost out there
Shump should publically, in the media, say "I do not want to be a PG"

WHY do people keep saying that? You guys are giving the impression Shump looked horrible when he didn't. Shump had some good plays today and he didn't have a problem bringing the ball up and running the play, directing players. He's not a PG, but he can get better and this is a step in that direction. He'll get better the more he does it and he wasn't that bad today. People are judging him as you would a pure PG rather than a SG/SF who can run point.

He wasn't good either

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:Didn't the Knicks try to do this with Melo when MDA was here.

Shump played point some in college. Again the Knicks have been saying they want him to improve his ball handling. I think that is all this is. Woodson likes to play lineups with at least two ball handlers.

How do players improve without reps. He is not going to be a pg anytime soon but he needs to be comfortable running PnRs and dishing to the corner, throwing a pocket pass, lob, or whatever. One other thing I hope they do is have him push the ball up court to create a one man fast break at times.

t. murry looked good even though he didnt do much offensively. great defense and defensive stance. i hope he makes the team.

i think the big men just need PLAYS UN FOR THEM. to see if they have skills. yes i think tyler was lazy most of the game, but once they started running plays for him, he was effective

Dagger wrote:Everyone likes this mcmorrow guy because he's oversized, meanwhile he stinks...not every big guy is nba material. I thought he looked pretty awful out there.

I agree. It looked like his arms were sore from doing to much curls to get his arms right fir Vegas. Dude just looked really tight.....maybe he can become a bouncer lol

gunsnewing wrote:Bullock filled a more more pressing need. The fact Doc and the clips drafted him with th very next pick shows me when screwed up

What do you mean? Just being a better shooter? Better defender? What does Hardaway JR do better? Drive?

GustavBahler wrote:You're a real piece of work Nix. You've been wrong about too many things to question anyone's knowledge of the game. It usually comes in the first sentence, some remark about a poster you are having a discussion with being somehow mentally deficient. Try showing more class and just rebut my points without the constant insults because at some point you're going to have to prove it on a court.

You've reduced all the weaknesses I've pointed out in his game to putting his head down. Brilliant, just brilliant. You keep trying to convince me that there is value to playing the point, and I will try one last time to tell you that I agree with you. Where we differ is that I don't believe that dribbling the ball to the halfcourt line and passing off to a teammate on the wing is a substitute for learning his off the ball skills by actually playing off the ball.

THJ is getting the bulk of the minutes at the 2 because they are trying to develop him as a 2. This was Shump's idea to play SL so they figured they would let him play the point and maybe he will get better at sharing the ball. Nothing wrong with that if you already have other parts of your game down. Shump doesn't not even close. That's why I say that he has more pressing needs than dribbling the ball to the halfcourt line and passing to a teammate.

I think your points are well stated. While having a well-rounded schematic awareness is obviously useful, playing point guard is neither a requisite nor a surrogate for playing the 2 guard position. From a team need perspective, developing catch and shoot consistency and an array of dribble penetration moves is a priority.

Iman at the point offers us valuable defensive versatility, as previously mentioned, and from a long-term improvement perspective, the early exposure has utility. But based on his exhibited talents so far and the inevitable scarcity of time and effort with any endeavor, I tend to agree that the bulk of focus should remain on building traditional shooting guard skills.